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New York To Nashville, The Tax And Price Exodus Is Growing
Vident Financial ^
| 07/06/2018
Posted on 07/06/2018 7:41:06 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
Recently the Wall Street Journal published an article titled As Nashville Rapidly Expands, Residents Worry the Metropolis Is Growing Too Fast, and it beautifully illustrates the basic principles of building a real estate investment index. It seems that the accelerating flow of jobs and peoples from larger cities, especially up north to Nashville, has current residents alarmed.
"There is very little opposition in our town to growth, said David Briley, newly elected mayor of the Metropolitan Government of Nashville and Davidson County, in an interview. I would say there is a high level of anxiety about the pace of growth."
The metro area grew an astounding 45% from 2000 to 2017, leaving it at roughly 2 million. It has the lowest unemployment rate of any large metro area, 2.7%. (Source.)
This was going on sort of beneath the radar screen, at least in the eyes of the national press who were centered, of course, in the big cities. That is, until the large Wall Street Firm AllianceBernstein moved its HQ from New York to Nashville in May (which I suspect is what put the Nashville boom on the short list for an article in the WSJ).
The country has been gradually, or not so gradually, migrating from Northeast to South. What's driving that? The two things which our principles would point to.
"For decades, part of the Souths appeal has been low housing costs, said Laurel Graefe, deputy regional executive of the Nashville branch of the Federal Reserve Bank of Atlanta. While corporate incentives and relatively low taxation are still drawing businesses and workers, housing demand in some places has far outstripped supply, driving up prices, she said."
Now it appears that commute times are rising and there is a fear that real estate prices will rise too quickly based on the Southward migration of flocks of snow birds from New York and Boston.
They already have risen a lot:
"From 2008 to 2018, housing values, based on a weighted measure of all transactions in the housing market, rose 75% in Nashville, compared with 33% in Charlotte and 26% in Atlanta, according to the Brookings Institution."
This is where the logic of standard cap-weighted REIT investing breaks down. All other things equal (ceteris paribus, in pretentious Latin econo-speak) the higher the price of real estate in a particular market, the more money the REIT dumps into that market. It's not a decision; it's automatic in 'passive' investing. That's what's passive about it -- it follows the market, and if the market creates a real estate bubble in Manhattan or in San Francisco, the passive REIT money lemmingly follows along.
The thing is, despite efficient market theory, bubbles are real -- including real estate bubbles. And they can be regional. They happen when prices rise vastly above the ability to pay them either as purchase prices or as rental/lease prices. Land values have an inherent link to the productivity that occurs on top of it. Residential property costs are paid out of the earnings of the people who live there. Commercial property costs are paid out of the profits of the businesses that operate there.
TOPICS: Business/Economy; Society
KEYWORDS: exodus; migration; nashville; taxes
To: SeekAndFind
If you want affordable housing, move to a depressed area, like Binghamton, NY.
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posted on
07/06/2018 7:44:53 AM PDT
by
brianr10
To: SeekAndFind
I am in Pittsburgh, a market that for the first time in my adult life is not the worst place in America to find a job.
Our population has not grown since the early 1950’s.
And we rank towards the bottom nationally in terms of wage rates.
And yet housing prices are beginning to shoot through the stratosphere. Something seriously out of whack with the fundamentals on that.
To: brianr10
Back in March, the Binghamton unemployment rate was 6.2 percent. In the past sixty days, it’s actually dropped to around 4.4 percent.
It may take a year or two, but even places like Binghamton will recover.
To: SeekAndFind
Saw an article yesterday indicating a high percentage of real estate sales in NYC are selling below asking price. The beginning of a real estate pricing retraction.
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posted on
07/06/2018 7:51:51 AM PDT
by
IamConservative
(Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress. But I repeat myself.)
To: Buckeye McFrog
RE: And yet housing prices are beginning to shoot through the stratosphere.
This is an indicator of DEMAND for housing. Maybe it is good to check and see how many RETIREES are moving to Pittsburgh....
But then, you said this is now, not the worst place to find a job. That could be another factor.
BTW, you have some of the best universities in your city ( e.g. Carnegie Mellon ). How many of the graduates of these universities actually STAY in Pitt?
To: SeekAndFind
This exodus from high tax Blue States only means “purple-ization” of the recipient Red areas.
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posted on
07/06/2018 7:54:30 AM PDT
by
BlueStateRightist
(Government is best which governs least.)
To: Buckeye McFrog
And yet housing prices are beginning to shoot through the stratosphere. Something seriously out of whack with the fundamentals on that.
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Housing prices in general do seem out of whack in my opinion. Eventually another recession will come along and reset prices. You don’t want to be holding a big mortgage or have lots of debt when that happens. Just saying.
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posted on
07/06/2018 7:54:52 AM PDT
by
Starboard
To: BlueStateRightist
This exodus from high tax Blue States only means purple-ization of the recipient Red areas
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Yep, they take their furniture and their ideology with them to the Red states.
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posted on
07/06/2018 8:02:11 AM PDT
by
Starboard
To: brianr10
It wouldn’t be depressed if fracking were allowed. Like five miles away. In Pennsylvania.
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posted on
07/06/2018 8:10:32 AM PDT
by
printhead
(I need a new tagline. Happy days are here again.)
To: SeekAndFind
This is how Republican states like NH, VT, ME and CT became blue states. Mass exodus of Libs from high taxed NY, MA and RI. They move and vote for the same damned libs they voted for in their native states.
Nashville is a fine town, but will soon be a toilet like NYC and Boston if this keeps up.
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posted on
07/06/2018 8:10:55 AM PDT
by
Angels27
To: pepsionice
maybe they’ll finish the damn 81/84 interchange work. its been going on for 7 or 8 years!!!!
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posted on
07/06/2018 8:14:40 AM PDT
by
wny
To: Angels27
“Nashville is a fine town, but will soon be a toilet like NYC and Boston if this keeps up.”
Neither NYC OR Boston are toilets.
.
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posted on
07/06/2018 8:15:20 AM PDT
by
Mears
To: Angels27
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posted on
07/06/2018 8:30:12 AM PDT
by
TheZMan
(I am a secessionist.)
To: brianr10
People are running away from New York taxes, New York corrupt democrats, and New York ‘elites’... it’s not as easy as just ‘cheap housing’...
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posted on
07/06/2018 8:49:59 AM PDT
by
GOPJ
( BEST REASON TO STOP immigration: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-s1_nfs7f4)
To: SeekAndFind
How many of the graduates of these universities actually STAY in Pitt?
Most CMU tech grads had offers to go to California at least a year before graduation, and took them. That trend seems to be reversing though in the past couple of years. Having a CMU degree in this town means you can write your own ticket. They see that on your resume, they have their multiple orgasm, then they write you a check.
This has had some good effects in that certain Pittsburgh neighborhoods like Lawrenceville and East Liberty, where it was previously not safe to walk around unarmed after dark, have gentrified rapidly.
But neither population growth nor wage increases seem to justify what is going on market-wide.
To: Mears
Neither NYC OR Boston are toilets.
San Francisco is.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/07/03/plastic-bag-filled-with-20-pounds-feces-plopped-on-san-francisco-sidewalk.html
To: Angels27
Once lived just up the road in Clarksville. What will doom Nashville is being part of the Tennessee Islamic Triangle along with Murfreesboro and Shelbyville. Somalis everywhere & a mega mosque in M’boro. Bad news for the area.
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posted on
07/06/2018 9:16:44 AM PDT
by
elcid1970
("The Second Amendment is more important than Islam. Buy ammo.")
To: elcid1970
Ugh, Somali’s. Another part of 0bamas devestating legacy. Those people are awful. Libs can call me racist, I don’t care. It has nothing to do with thier skin color and everything to do with their behavior.
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posted on
07/06/2018 10:10:29 AM PDT
by
Angels27
To: Mears
“Neither NYC OR Boston are toilets.”
Never been to Boston, but my one trip to NYC found me constantly watching the sidewalks for all the dog poop on them. It really sucks to be looking up at the skyscrapers as your foot squishes a big, juicy turd.
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posted on
07/07/2018 6:36:15 AM PDT
by
Mister Da
(The mark of a wise man is not what he knows, but what he knows he doesn't know!)
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