[Reno89519]

The queen brings stability and focus? No, she has lulled them into be frogs in a pot of warming water. They have surrendered their country, stood by while it was merged with the European Union, then invaded by hordes of people that do not remotely share their values and culture.

Maybe it isn't just the monarchy as we've had to save them in two world wars, likely be faced with choice of helping or watching them fall again in the future. Maybe it's the people?

[grania]

Your take has a lot of validity. I wonder if the Brits have in fact already choked on their own Empire. Even without the current invasion, they'd be overwhelmed in time by legal escapees from their former and present possessions.

I've been studying a lot of European History since the fall of Rome. It's not what we learned in HS and College. Britain has a history of ruthlessness and horrible meddling intertwined with the incredible greatness in all fields of endeavor in the 18th, 19th and 20th centuries. Their meddling and expansion caused chaos in Africa and the Mideast that exists today.

Perhaps your take on QE2 is correct. It's an open question whether she's enabled the destruction of England or kept it steady during a period of irreversible decline. History will decide.

[Chode]