[DiogenesLamp]

So the fight goes to the courts and elections.

Any government is a beauty contest, majority rule, minority rights.

Well there is a serious problem with this. Human rights are granted by God, and the government should not infringe those, even if the majority says so. Isn't the issue of slavery an example of government infringing human rights?

We should not allow a system where this is an option. Oppressive government's should not be tolerated, even if they are elected by Democratic process and aided by a corrupt and immoral court system.

[gandalftb]

Agreed.

The right to life and freedom is God-given.

The problem is that too many people don’t believe in God or trust the Bible for moral guidance.

I remember how people were freaking out about JFK, saying he would get his marching orders from the Pope, being our first Catholic President.

Oppression is relative, as compared to what? There are far worse governments everywhere else.

The moment society organizes, leadership emerges, compromises happen, ugly behavior, driven by powerful special interests, becomes legal and allowed. Backed up by the power of the government.

But we need that same powerful government when al queda, etc. comes a calling.

I would love to see a national referdum ability, where abortion, gay rights, whatever, could be voted on nationally and settled. That would be true democracy.

The problem is that we are a republic and that kind of power is reserved to the states and to the Supreme Court with whatever collection of judges happen from day to day.

[BroJoeK]

DiogenesLamp: "Well there is a serious problem with this.
Human rights are granted by God, and the government should not infringe those, even if the majority says so.
Isn't the issue of slavery an example of government infringing human rights?
We should not allow a system where this is an option.
Oppressive government's should not be tolerated, even if they are elected by Democratic process and aided by a corrupt and immoral court system."

And so yet again DiogenesLamp hints darkly at unlawful or unconstitutional actions to overturn properly elected government instead of imagineering more effective arguments to persuade a majority of fellow citizens there's a better way, much better.
For examples of how this can be done, I refer you to two presidential elections I remember quite well, 1980 and 2016.
They clearly demonstrate that Truth, while often hard-pressed, can sometimes defeat landslides of nonsense and make very serious improvements.