[jeffersondem]

“I just about fell out of my chair laughing at that one. the Founders siding with a den of thieves and their pretend nation? A “nation” founded on deceit and treachery and theft? A “nation” that forever enshrined the practice of owning other human beings? I sincerely doubt it!”

There is one more point you should always make when talking about the founding of the United States. It will make your case more potent: of the 13 original states that fought in the Revolution, only 13 of them were slave states.

[rockrr]

Did you have a point - other than the one on top of your head?

[DiogenesLamp]

There is one more point you should always make when talking about the founding of the United States. It will make your case more potent: of the 13 original states that fought in the Revolution, only 13 of them were slave states.

He wants to project modern ideas onto people of 158 years ago and 229 years ago respectively.

At the founding, the majority of people were only starting to contemplate the wrongness of slavery. Most at the time saw nothing wrong with it.

The past is a different country.

[HandyDandy]

States fought in the Revolution?

[BroJoeK]

jeffersondem: "There is one more point you should always make when talking about the founding of the United States.
It will make your case more potent: of the 13 original states that fought in the Revolution, only 13 of them were slave states."

DiogenesLamp: "At the founding, the majority of people were only starting to contemplate the wrongness of slavery.
Most at the time saw nothing wrong with it."

Important to remember: as the original Jeffersonian Democrat (Thomas) famously complained in his Declaration draft: slavery had been imposed & enforced under British law.
More important: most Founders in 1776 believed slavery a moral evil, a majority considered it "necessary evil" and some wanted it abolished.
Nor were all colonial abolitionists Northern.

1. According to this source, in 1735 Georgians abolished slavery by colonial law, only to see it legalized by British royal decree in 1751.
   
2. Virginia bills to abolish the international slave trade were vetoed by the British Privy Council.
   
3. Pennsylvania Quakers began opposing slavery by 1688 and in 1711 Pennsylvania prohibited importation of slaves.
   
4. In 1733 Quaker Elihu Coleman published a testimony against slavery as anti-Christian (not a new idea, but relatively unknown then).
   
5. By 1774 Virginia, Connecticut, Rhode Island and Georgia prohibited importations of slaves.

Sure, these are a few selected anti-slavery actions in a vast sea of colonial pro-slavery events, but once out from the yoke of British rule, anti-slavery actions become more frequent in the North, while all but disappeared in the South.