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To: jeffersondem; gandalftb; rockrr; DiogenesLamp
Just so we're clear, here is the offending sequence:

gandalftb post #73: "When religiously driven abolitionists, like my family, chose their faith over the rule of law, the resistance and eventual fighting over slavery began."

BJK post #110: "Total nonsense, what is this rubbish you keep posting?.
You sound like a poser, pretending to be sympathetic to the Union but in fact making our Lost Causer arguments for them, including a key one here."

gandalftb post #133: "There is also a book “The History of Clayton County”, published in 1873.
It talks a great deal about the run up to the war from an IA perspective.
But then again, this could all be utter nonsense by some poser that continues this endless debate, hoping to enlighten both sides."

gandalftb post #141 to rockrr: "Also, it is irritating when BroJoeK descends into name calling and insults, no need for that in an adult discussion."

BJK post #143: "And yet you're here hand-wringing over your family's contributions to the Civil War, and I'm here to tell you: knock it off, that's ridiculous."

jeffersondem post #169: "The problem is that somewhere along the way you contradicted northern orthodoxy about something - perhaps Lincoln's decision to fight the war 'at pleasure.' "

No, the offending word seems to be "poser", my response to some gandalftb argument which made no sense, to me.
It's this: on the one hand, all "virtue signaling" aside, gandalftb has a very proud family history of service on the Underground Railroad -- I'm hugely impressed, would guess not one family in a thousand today could make such a claim.
On the other hand, gandalftb seemed to be blaming his own family for helping to start & fight the Civil War, and that has nothing to do with "northern orthodoxy", it's just nonsense.
Deep South secessionists did not declare secession because gandalftb's ancestors helped the Underground Railroad, but rather because Northern states did not do enough, secessionists claimed, to stop it.

So, if "poser" sounds a little, ah, harsh to you, then I'd say, it's the mildest term I could think of for someone who'd use their own family history against slavery to make the Lost Causer argument for them: the Underground Railroad caused secession & war.
It didn't, at most it helped create the excuse secessionists used to justify their actions.
But that excuse was based on alleged inadequate Northern states' enforcement of Federal Fugitive Slave laws.

If "poser" was the worst name I've been called on Free Republic, I'd feel fortunate.
You need a thick skin here.


190 posted on 07/12/2018 4:56:18 AM PDT by BroJoeK ((a little historical perspective...))
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To: BroJoeK

“someone who’d use their own family history against slavery to make the Lost Causer argument for them: the Underground Railroad caused secession & war”

I discussed my family history to push back on your name calling that I was some kind of poser.

Your insulting comments calling posts “utter nonsense” is not only inaccurate, but trivialize your own points.

People won’t listen to all-or-nothing responses. This is not an absolute issue, there are obviously points and counter-points.

Speak civilly and you’ll get more thoughtful responses.

Those that name-call and insult are usually looking for attention rather than pushing back with historical analysis.


194 posted on 07/12/2018 7:34:53 AM PDT by gandalftb
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