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> “Lots of good people I know are members, and all of the founding fathers. What was their terrible plan, to make the world free and prosperous? Now the Bilderbergers, on the other hand...”

As usual, people tend to think of these fraternities as monolithic. They are not. They are comprised of people including bad apples.

Many well-intentioned persons travel their road of good intentions leading to an unwanted place. Think of the United States, it is founded on freedom but has been occupied by those of the opposite purpose. So it is that Freemasons who were originally opposed to monarchal orders of Europe and especially England became in succeeding generations a source of mistrust.

This is part of the pattern of human history. A gilded age is exalted and handed down to subsequent generations that corrode its reputation.

The Masons started in England and became targeted by the British Crown as anti-establishment for their adoption of Liberty as a tenet of their philosophy as opposed to the unquestioned mandate of the King. The Masonic philosophy traveled to America where the masons of the founding became known as Freemasons.

The Freemasons were a fraternity of virtues that no reasonable person could or can disagree with. However, as is seen throughout human history, there is a corrosion of values that castigate the order. One such incident is the William Morgan affair of 1826 where a former Mason became disgruntled and set out to expose some of the order’s bad apples and their practices. Morgan was taken and made to disappear later found killed.

The Masonic Order had in certain locales become a gang, a sort of local mafia. This is not uncommon in human nature. It is wrong but not uncommon.

Freemasons after the Founding adhered to pro-slavery platforms and the abolitionists like John Brown targeted Freemasons as hypocrites. John Quincy Adams, former president and former Mason castigated the orders as treasonous. President Millard Fillmore called Masonic orders treasonous as well. Masonic orders became at different points in US history quite unpopular, why? Personality clashes and stubbornness coupled with stupidity, not really new to the human condition.

But people love a good mystery and puzzle. So the stories and chatter about Masons have taken and continue to take a life of its own. The Masonic symbol on the dollar is dated or born 1776. Those Freemasons of 1776 were different men with different views than the Freemasons of several generations after.

Think of the analogy with the Boy Scouts. Scouting was always a pastime approved and condoned by American society. Recently homosexuality and pederastic elements have infiltrated the Boy Scouts which is no longer for just boys. Society has reacted with disapproval and new scouting organizations have popped up to hold the line for traditional scouting values. This is a recurring pattern that happens at all levels of American society.

I tell kids and adults who know next to nothing about Masons and Freemasons that “It’s a mixed bag, often led by good people but sometimes populated with bad people”. Can’t explain it much simpler than that.


991 posted on 06/29/2018 5:43:44 AM PDT by Hostage (Article V)
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To: Hostage

From what I’ve read/watched above 33rd degrees all sorts of “secrets” are revealed. It certainly seems that they refer to a “Lucifer” in glowing terms (youtube it) and at the upper echelons worship not God, but some other diety. You make an oath to this diety upon signing up at the very beginning (what do they say in the bible about making oaths?). There’s lots of info out there. I’m sure many are well intentioned (I know a couple of Masons) but they have no idea what they’re really getting into.

Let me put it this way, I’ll certainly never look at Shriners the same way ever again.


1,001 posted on 06/29/2018 6:03:48 AM PDT by Snowybear
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To: Hostage
Can’t explain it much simpler than that.

Haha. Yea, that was pretty simple. :)

Well done, very educational, and VERY well written, Hostage.

Bagster

1,006 posted on 06/29/2018 6:12:24 AM PDT by bagster ("Even bad men love their mamas.")
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To: Hostage

One hypothesis is that a group of whatever %% are decent blokes who know relatively nothing about another %% faction that are devoted to satan. Supposedly they are asked to pee on the Bible and if they refuse—ahh, well and good—you passed the test—enter this special elite rank of wonderful guys. If they do pee on the Bible, well and good, they are told ‘well & good’ and ushered into the darker faction.


1,097 posted on 06/29/2018 8:02:42 AM PDT by JockoManning (http://www.zazzle.com/brain_truth for hats T's e.g. STAY CALM & DO THE NEXT LOVING THING)
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1,108 posted on 06/29/2018 8:26:23 AM PDT by Cats Pajamas (GO OGLE ogle - stare at in a lecherous manner.)
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To: Hostage

Good info, thanks.


1,128 posted on 06/29/2018 8:52:30 AM PDT by Defiant (I may be deplorable, but I'm not getting in that basket.)
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To: Hostage; Defiant; ransomnote; Cats Pajamas; greeneyes; bagster; generally; Wneighbor; defconw; ...

Just stumbled across this and decided to post it in case some might find it helpful in the discussions about Masonry and its horrible influence on America.

According to this, and other things I recall reading long ago, George Washington had been warned that the Illuminati were set to contaminate and traduce American Masonry. I found the following to be interesting. I am previously unfamiliar with this web site. There are some film clips and illustrations at the web site to go with this article.

The writer makes much of the sinister meaning of 13, but I would point out that there are 12 apostles, and together with Lord Jesus, that makes a very powerful 13 combination and symbol for good.

Please note that while I find this article interesting as food for further thought and impetus for more digging, I am not advocating it, and I do not plan to try to defend it one way or the other. I am offering it as simply a perspective I have not seen noted here on our Q threads.

http://www.nowtheendbegins.com/george-washingtons-warning-america-illuminati/

GEORGE WASHINGTON’S WARNING TO AMERICA ABOUT THE ILLUMINATI
How about this amazing “coincidence”? US President George Bush Sr. giving a speech ten years to the very day before the bombing of the Twin Towers, and calling for...

The bills may say “In God We Trust”, but the many arcane symbols that swirl around it let you know that it’s not the God of the bible they are referring to.
by Geoffrey Grider May 26, 2014

THE ILLUMINATI AND AMERICA WERE CONCEIVED SIDE BY SIDE TWO MONTHS APART IN 1776

People say that conspiracy theorists are “crackpots” who see a Devil behind every tree. Tin foil hatters awaiting the landings of the alien spaceships. Now, granted, all that makes great fodder by the publishers of cartoon news dumbed-down for idiots. But the truth of the matter, the actual quotes of the ruling elite, would seem to verify and confirm that much of what conspiracy theorists say are indeed quite accurate. Before we give you George Washington’s amazing quote on the Illuminati, here is a brief overview of the situation. Let’s start with billionaire CFR member and New World Order spokesperson David Rockefeller.

“SOME EVEN BELIEVE WE ARE PART OF A SECRET CABAL WORKING AGAINST THE BEST INTERESTS OF THE UNITED STATES, CHARACTERIZING MY FAMILY AND ME AS ‘INTERNATIONALISTS’ AND OF CONSPIRING WITH OTHERS AROUND THE WORLD TO BUILD A MORE INTEGRATED GLOBAL POLITICAL AND ECONOMIC STRUCTURE – ONE WORLD, IF YOU WILL. IF THAT’S THE CHARGE, I STAND GUILTY, AND I AM PROUD OF IT.”” – DAVID ROCKEFELLER, FROM HIS BOOK “MEMOIRS”.

How about this amazing “coincidence”? US President George Bush Sr. giving a speech ten years to the very day before the bombing of the Twin Towers, and calling for the implementation of the New World Order?

George Bush Sr. New World Order Live Speech Sept 11 1991 from Now The End Begins on Vimeo.

The intentions and aspirations of the New World Order magnates and the Illuminati have never been hidden. Listen to this quote given on the very floor of the US Senate in 1950:

“WE SHALL HAVE WORLD GOVERNMENT, WHETHER OR NOT WE LIKE IT. THE ONLY QUESTION IS WHETHER WORLD GOVERNMENT WILL BE ACHIEVED BY CONQUEST OR CONSENT.” — STATEMENT MADE BEFORE THE UNITED STATES SENATE ON FEB. 7, 1950 BY JAMES PAUL WARBURG

The New World Order In Your Pocket
Why, even the very dollar bills that are in your pocket right now at this moment bear the signature of the Illuminati cabal that put them there. Have you ever stopped to wonder what all those signs and symbols refer to?

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The bills may say “In God We Trust”, but the many arcane symbols that swirl around it let you know that it’s not the God of the bible they are referring to.
1). Novus Ordo Seclorum: A Latin phrase which means “a new order of the ages” is born. Literally, it is calling for a New World Order. – Dictionary.com

2). Annuit Coeptis: A Latin phrase which means “he has favored our undertakings”. – Dictionary.com

3). The Egyptian Pyramid: One of the great Illuminati symbols, the triangle, representing the ancient wisdom of Egypt. In the bible, Egypt is always a type of the unsaved world rebelling against God.

4). The All-Seeing Eye Of Horus: Horus was worshipped in the ancient world as a god of protection, and was often depicted as a falcon swooping in to catch it’s prey. Horus was the child of Isis and Osiris conceived through witchcraft in Egyptian mythology. The symbol of America – the swooping Bald Eagle – was patterned after falcon of Horus. The All-seeing-Eye is taken from the left eye, the “moon” or “sound” eye of Horus. Horus is a detestable pagan god, the son of Osiris and Isis. There is much pagan Egyptian mythology in the roots of Masonry and Mormonism. So why is it on our dollar bill?

5). 13 Levels: The pyramid has 13 steps, or levels leading up to the capstone. In the bible, 13 is the number for rebellion. America was created when our founding fathers rebelled against King George.

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Published in the official magazine of Freemasonry, The New Age, we have a detailed explanation and admission from the Masons that the symbols on the dollar bill are indeed Masonic symbols. They have since changed the name of their magazine to The Scottish Rite Journal. This is something that today’s Masons vehemently try to deny, but the facts are stubborn things.
6). MDCCLXXI: These Roman numerals refer to founding of the Illuminati as an organization on May 1, 1776. This is not a reference to our Independence Day of July 4th, 1776.

7). 13 Stars: Again, the biblical number for rebellion – 13 – forms the basis of the Great Seal. The number 13 is all over the dollar bill.

8). E Pluribus Unum: Another Latin phrase which means “from many, one”. You will note that this phrase contains exactly 13 letters. Amazing coincidence.

9). A Spiders Web: When you look at the background pattern of the dollar bill, you will clearly see that it is a spider’s web. The spider and the spider web in ancient cultures represented death, treachery and conquest.

10). Olive Leaves and Berries: You will note that the eagle is holding 13 olives leaves with 13 olive berries. The olive leaf is a sign of peace, but the eagle’s claws are closed to represent that these things are being taken away, and not being offered.

So ask yourself this – Why would our founding fathers, and those who have come after, fill our money with the very symbols of the occult from the ancient world? Why do we see this constant reference to hidden and secret societies at the highest levels of our government? We will allow our most famous founding father, and the recognized leader of the new America to have the last word.

George Washington warned us many centuries ago that, intertwined in the new birth of America, the seeds of an evil cabal had already been sown with the creation of the Illuminati on May 1, 1776, just two months before we would declare our independence from England. Barack Obama and the Puppet Masters are proof that we have failed to heed that warning.

GEORGE WASHINGTON’S WARNING TO AMERICA:

“IT WAS NOT MY INTENTION TO DOUBT THAT, THE DOCTRINES OF THE ILLUMINATI, AND PRINCIPLES OF JACOBINISM HAD NOT SPREAD IN THE UNITED STATES. ON THE CONTRARY, NO ONE IS MORE TRULY SATISFIED OF THIS FACT THAN I AM. THE IDEA THAT I MEANT TO CONVEY, WAS, THAT I DID NOT BELIEVE THAT THE LODGES OF FREE MASONS IN THIS COUNTRY HAD, AS SOCIETIES, ENDEAVOURED TO PROPAGATE THE DIABOLICAL TENETS OF THE FIRST, OR PERNICIOUS PRINCIPLES OF THE LATTER (IF THEY ARE SUSCEPTIBLE OF SEPARATION). THAT INDIVIDUALS OF THEM MAY HAVE DONE IT, OR THAT THE FOUNDER, OR INSTRUMENT EMPLOYED TO FOUND, THE DEMOCRATIC SOCIETIES IN THE UNITED STATES, MAY HAVE HAD THESE OBJECTS; AND ACTUALLY HAD A SEPARATION OF THE PEOPLE FROM THEIR GOVERNMENT IN VIEW, IS TOO EVIDENT TO BE QUESTIONED.” (GEORGE WASHINGTON, SHORTLY BEFORE HE DIED, READ JOHN ROBISON’S BOOK PROOFS OF A CONSPIRACY AND IMMEDIATELY EXPRESSED HIS BELIEF TO THE PREACHER WHO HAD SENT IT TO HIM, THAT THE DESIGNS OF THE ILLUMINATI WERE INFECTING OUR COUNTRY. LETTER TO REVEREND G. W. SNYDER, WRITINGS OF GEORGE WASHINGTON, P 518-519.)

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Other articles about George Washington’s warning about the Illuminati:

https://skywriter2012.wordpress.com/freemasonry/george-washington-letters-warning-about-the-dangerous-illuminati/

...” Mount Vernon, September 25, 1798.

Sir: Many apologies are due to you, for my not acknowledging the receipt of your obliging favour of the 22d. Ulto, and for not thanking you, at an earlier period, for the Book you had the goodness to send me

I have heard much of the nefarious, and dangerous plan, and doctrines of the Illuminati, but never saw the Book until you were pleased to send it to me.9 The same causes which have prevented my acknowledging the receipt of your letter have prevented my reading the Book, hitherto; namely, the multiplicity of matters which pressed upon me before, and the debilitated state in which I was left after, a severe fever had been removed. And which allows me to add little more now, than thanks for your kind wishes and favourable sentiments, except to correct an error you have run into, of my Presiding over the English lodges in this Country. The fact is, I preside over none, nor have I been in one more than once or twice, within the last thirty years. I believe notwithstanding, that none of the Lodges in this Country are contaminated with the principles ascribed to the Society of the Illuminati. With respect I am &c.

[Note 9: In a letter from Snyder (Aug. 22, 1798, which is in the Washington Papers), it is stated that this book “gives a full Account of a Society of Free-Masons, that distinguishes itself by the Name of ‘Illuminati,’ whose Plan is to overturn all Government and all Religion, even natural.”]...”

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http://truthstreammedia.com/2013/04/15/washington-warned-illuminati-infiltrating-revolution-2/

A letter from our nation’s first president and commander general of the American Revolutionary War written in 1798 affirms that he knew the Illuminati, based in Europe, had arrived on American shores.

[dropcap]T[/dropcap]he revolution — which began with uproar over the Stamp Act in 1765, led to the Boston Tea Party in 1773, solidified in the first battle at Lexington & Concord in 1775, then took shape via a bold Declaration of Independence in 1776, and which continued through a long, exhausting campaign of endurance against history’s most powerful empire — did not end with decisive victory at Yorktown in 1781.

Nor did it end with the completion of the Constitution after extensive deliberations at the conventions, as the battle for the Bill of Rights and ratification not only continued the debate but complicated it with important questions about the nature of government, and the limitations that should be put upon it. Rather than concluding with the ratification of the Constitution (with the added, demanded Bill of Rights) in 1791 by the several States, this struggle continued through the faction fights of the Federalists, the Anti-Federalists and the Democrat-Republicans.

[pullquote]Who was the American Revolution really for? Who really won that revolution? And who does it serve now? What is the proper role of government in our lives, and what has it transformed into today?[/pullquote]As president, Washington tried to remain neutral to these disputes in his official capacity and public persona, though in reality he was more closely aligned with the Federalists and stacked figures like Alexander Hamilton in his cabinet. Thomas Jefferson, who led the Democrat-Republican Party, backed in turn by the Democratic Societies, was scrutinized by many in the founding era for his personal beliefs and relationship with conspiratorial European elements. Washington’s response about the Illuminati’s...”


1,131 posted on 06/29/2018 8:55:40 AM PDT by TEXOKIE
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can Catholics become freemasons?.....to be honest, the general thought on freemasons when I was growing up was that it was a Protestant group that were against Catholics.


1,234 posted on 06/29/2018 10:51:24 AM PDT by cherry
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