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To: philman_36
Here you go:
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Feel free to append that onto the last sentence of my previous message, if that helps you understand my meaning better.

But, in your own way you have answered the larger question. You expect that it's going to take "bloodshed" of some sort to restore the Republic.

That's a sad thing to contemplate. But we've been contemplating it for a long time here. I've been the co-owner of the Civil War II ping list for maybe 15 years now.

Even that option I see slipping further away.

I think the best that can reasonably be hoped for is a fracturing of the USA, similar to the USSR's break up, where some "captive states" manage to time a break-away just right and pull it off.

Like Poland, Estonia, Hungary and the Czech Republic did in 1989. Of course many other Soviet States didn't make the break and are now stuck in the reconstituted Totalitarian Russian Empire.

And even that may not occur. The USSR system failed, ours seems to drag along, I'm not sure we will ever get the "1989" moment here, and without it, I'm not sure any State will be able to break away.

I would like to see more radical parties in the States.

The Solidarity example is a good one, that movement was key to winning the restoration of Poland. Sadly, I don't see much sign of it.

Our one great hope is Trump, who came out of nowhere and won an amazing victory. He's awesome, but so many stand against him. It's hard to believe he can overcome everything.

It's been so infuriating to watch the DOJ and FBI repeatedly refuse to answer subpoenas from the House, as if it's optional, and they are a independent 4th branch of Government.

That's just one example. He won by a couple hundred thousand strategically placed votes in 2016. I don't know that he will be able to do that again. The DNC cheating machine will be in high gear.

Interesting times.

Ciao, for now.

1,442 posted on 06/24/2018 3:25:04 PM PDT by Jack Black
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To: Jack Black
Here you go: ?
Ah, you're playing the comic book character The Riddler. Got it.

Feel free to append that onto the last sentence of my previous message, if that helps you understand my meaning better.
Why don't you amend your own reply?

You expect that it's going to take "bloodshed" of some sort to restore the Republic.
That's a sad thing to contemplate.

Do you consider the blood shed to establish this nation a sad thing as well?

I would like to see more radical parties in the States.
Really? You and your generalities!
Could you clarify that statement? Do you mean something like a Marxist party or a Communist party?
Those are both pretty radical, but are they radical enough for you?

1,445 posted on 06/24/2018 3:49:40 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Jack Black
The Solidarity example is a good one...

Good thing you used the Polish example...

Solidarity (United States)
Solidarity is a revolutionary multi-tendency socialist organization in the United States, associated with the journal Against the Current. Solidarity is an organizational descendant of the International Socialists, a Third Camp Marxist organization which argued that the Soviet Union was not a "degenerated workers' state" (as orthodox Trotskyists argue) but rather "bureaucratic collectivism," a new and especially repressive class society.[1]
Solidarity describes itself as "a democratic, revolutionary socialist, feminist, anti-racist organization."[2] Its roots are in strains of the Trotskyist tradition but has departed from many aspects of traditional Leninism and Trotskyism. It is more loosely organized than most "democratic centralist" groups, and it does not see itself as the vanguard of the working class or the nucleus of a vanguard. It was formed in 1986 from a fusion of the International Socialists, Workers Power, and Socialist Unity. The former two groups had recently been reunited in a single organization, while the last was an expelled fragment of the Socialist Workers Party (SWP). Solidarity's name was originally in part an homage to Solidarność — an independent labor union in Stalinist Poland which, in Solidarity's view, had challenged the Soviet Union from the left. As of its 2011 convention, Solidarity is a sympathizing organization of the official Fourth International. [3]

1,447 posted on 06/24/2018 4:04:49 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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