Feel free to append that onto the last sentence of my previous message, if that helps you understand my meaning better.
Why don't you amend your own reply?
You expect that it's going to take "bloodshed" of some sort to restore the Republic.
That's a sad thing to contemplate.
Do you consider the blood shed to establish this nation a sad thing as well?
I would like to see more radical parties in the States.
Really? You and your generalities!
Could you clarify that statement? Do you mean something like a Marxist party or a Communist party?
Those are both pretty radical, but are they radical enough for you?
No. Given the context (I'm here on FR discussing conservatism, etc.) I would hope that's pretty obvious.
Those are both pretty radical, but are they radical enough for you?
Look, the goal is fixing America, not turning us into Venezuela II. Leftism is the wrong cause, the wrong idea - actually proven wrong over and over again.
What I'd like too see is a party, perhaps in a particular that are more radical in "no compromise" positions on restoring America. I mean if we are even contemplating bloodshed shouldn't we be organizing groups that are expressly pro Constitution and B.o.R., or strongly advocating for other Conservative positions, instead of putting up with the "Progressive Conservatives" (nice term, thanks) that have taken over the GOP and seem quite resistant to being expelled or replaced, despite our best efforts?
(I started going to Tea Party rallies and trying to elect more faithful candidates as part of that movement in 2009, like many others here. We had some success in the elections, sort of, but still nothing has really changed. Certainly no hope of repealing even one of the big unconstitutional programs I've rattled off a few times on this thread. (Social Security, Medicaid ...)
Regardless of what one thinks about the motivations of the South in the Civil War, they did effectively organize and eventually secede.
It's my opinion that secession might not be met with force if attempted now.
Imagine Hawaii, deciding they wanted to return to independence. I'm not sure what the leftist argument would be for forcing them to stay. And, seeing as everything in American government is decided using leftist thinking and leftist emotional appeals (see the current fake border crisis, for instance) .,.. well the USA might just have to let them go.
At which point the case for holding on to Wyoming, Montana and the Dakotas (for instance) or Texas is much, much weaker.
I know the idea of splitting America up is anathema to many, but again I go back to California. I think the split has already happened at the meta-political level. If we don't separate eventually the entire USA will be Californicated.
To get back to your other question, of course we honor the Revolutionary War dead for their sacrifice and heroism, but yes, it's still sad so many men had to die to earn our freedom. It would have been better if we could have achieved the same outcome without the war.
That wasn't possible in 1776, but maybe it is in 2018, and we should all try to find some way if it is. I am (I guess along with you) pretty convinced that another election cycle where the GOP holds the House and Senate (while clearly preferable to the alternative) isn't going to result in substantive change. Certainly nothing that is going to return the Constitution to the role of highest law it is intended to be.