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On this day in 1864

Posted on 05/04/2018 6:42:25 AM PDT by Bull Snipe

Leading elements of Union Major General George G. Meade's Army of the Potomac cross the Rapidan River. With a few hours they would clash with General Robert E. Lee's Army of Northern Virginia in the Battle of the Wilderness. Lieutenant General Grant's Overland Campaign had begun.


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To: rockrr
Ah, the PeeWee Herman gambit

Next best thing to a cartoon I guess, so it fits your MO.

41 posted on 05/04/2018 4:36:59 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: OIFVeteran
In 1861 Congress passed the confiscation act it reads as follows; An Act to confiscate Property used for Insurrectionary Purposes.

So, in what way, shape or form would confiscating property constitute freeing of slaves?

42 posted on 05/04/2018 4:38:44 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: rockrr
“The Union did not enter the Civil War to free the slaves.”

If that is true, then we can forever dismiss the notion that the North fought for some high moral cause like “freeing the slaves.”

But fight they did and for something they considered more important - their own best self-interest.

43 posted on 05/04/2018 4:55:55 PM PDT by jeffersondem
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To: hirn_man
“Slavery wasn’t dying outside the South because it had been outlawed in the North. The border states that remained in the Union during the war were Southern states below the Mason Dixon line. In the South there was a thriving business in the slave trade.”

You have hit the nail with your head: slavery was foremost an economic model of production. It was used in both the North and South initially.

When the North determined it was not a good model for their best self-interest, they ended it there. The South would have ended it too if and when they determined it wasn't in their economic best self-interest.

The North, Great Britain, and other major manufacturing countries could have expedited the end of slavery in the South without war by refusing to buy slave-produced cotton. With no customers, the South would have stopped growing cotton they could not sell.

However, buying only cotton produced by free labor might have cost northern customers another two cents per garment - too high a cost.

44 posted on 05/04/2018 5:29:56 PM PDT by jeffersondem
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To: RegulatorCountry

Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy. The freeing of slaves in the South helped the U.S. Governments cause and impeded the Confederate cause.


45 posted on 05/04/2018 6:04:47 PM PDT by Bull Snipe
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To: Bull Snipe

“The freeing of slaves in the South helped the U.S. Governments cause and impeded the Confederate cause.”

No one has ever said it better than the London Spectator and this, contemporaneously: “The Government liberates the enemy’s slaves as it would the enemy’s cattle, simply to weaken them in the coming conflict . . . the principle asserted is not that a human being cannot justly own another, but that he cannot own him unless he is loyal to the United States.”


46 posted on 05/04/2018 7:10:36 PM PDT by jeffersondem
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To: Bull Snipe

“These women, so swift to kindness, so tender to the sorrowing, so untiring in times of stress, could be as implacable as furies to any renegade who broke one small law of their unwritten code. This code was simple. Reverence for the Confederacy, honor to the veterans, loyalty to old forms, pride in poverty, open hands to friends and undying hatred to Yankees.”

Margaret Mitchell, Gone With the Wind


47 posted on 05/04/2018 8:45:12 PM PDT by NKP_Vet ("Man without God descends into madness")
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To: Bull Snipe

One of the most well known slave owners in SC history was William Elison. An ex slave who bought his freedom. There were many black men in the South who owned slaves. When the war broke out he sided with the CSA and his sons fought for the Confederacy.

https://historyengine.richmond.edu/episodes/view/6699


48 posted on 05/04/2018 8:56:22 PM PDT by NKP_Vet ("Man without God descends into madness")
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To: freedumb2003

I say sir do you not refer to “The War Of Southern Independence’?(sar.)


49 posted on 05/04/2018 10:03:20 PM PDT by jmacusa ("Made it Ma, top of the world!'')
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To: central_va

How do General! Were you been keepin’ yourself?


50 posted on 05/04/2018 10:04:06 PM PDT by jmacusa ("Made it Ma, top of the world!'')
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To: Bull Snipe

Where exactly was slavery written into The Constitution?


51 posted on 05/04/2018 10:05:33 PM PDT by jmacusa ("Made it Ma, top of the world!'')
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To: Bull Snipe
And the former Confederate states enacted Black Codes’’, what would later come to called , as we all know,segregation.
52 posted on 05/04/2018 10:13:52 PM PDT by jmacusa ("Made it Ma, top of the world!'')
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To: RegulatorCountry

Ah, didn’t Missouri field an army that fought Union forces?


53 posted on 05/04/2018 10:15:12 PM PDT by jmacusa ("Made it Ma, top of the world!'')
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To: iowamark
The Constitution also give any president, in time of war or rebellion the power to suspend habeus corpus too.
54 posted on 05/04/2018 10:17:16 PM PDT by jmacusa ("Made it Ma, top of the world!'')
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To: NKP_Vet

What a swell country this would be if the South had won,eh? (sarcasm)


55 posted on 05/04/2018 10:19:58 PM PDT by jmacusa ("Made it Ma, top of the world!'')
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To: central_va
Umm, the South is the conservative part of the USA in case you hadn't noticed

Something Missouri, Oklahoma, Kansas, Nebraska, North and South Dakota, Montana, Wyoming, Idaho, and Utah might dispute.

56 posted on 05/05/2018 4:53:24 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: RegulatorCountry
The Union made no Federal effort to free Union slaves.

Missed that whole 13th Amendment thing in 1864-65 did you?

57 posted on 05/05/2018 4:57:49 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: jeffersondem

And who better to go to for an understanding of the Constitution than a British newspaper editorial?


58 posted on 05/05/2018 5:00:18 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: jeffersondem

I know you’ve been told this before on other threads, but I’ll try again.

The United States went to war because they were attacked at Fort Sumter by rebel forces who were seizing government property and attempting to create a new country to protect slavery.

During the United States efforts to suppress this rebellion the US government issued the emancipation proclamation. Within a year of passing of the emancipation proclamation republicans in congress also began working on an amendment to the constitution to abolish slavery in the US.

This then added to the US cause the ending of slavery in the US. Giving the US the moral high ground in the war.


59 posted on 05/05/2018 5:47:52 AM PDT by OIFVeteran
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To: DoodleDawg

Yeah, he also missed the District of Columbia Compensated Emancipation Act of 1862....but blunders like that are common for him, being such a cartoonish character.


60 posted on 05/05/2018 6:38:05 AM PDT by rockrr ( Everything is different now...)
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