[Cboldt]

-- A few years ago, strictly on demographics, `experts' were saying ALL Europe is already lost to Islam. Gone. Irretrievably lost. --

Yep. Freeper kabar has a very good handle on that for the US. We are not as far along, maybe not a foregone conclusion, but in the same boat.

[JockoManning]

There was some speculation to strong assertions that without illegal immigration, we’d be in the same boat—strictly on birth rate etc. etc. etc.