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What possible reason would Idaho or Montana have to join up with the Confederacy?

Res ipsa loquitur.

The 2004 electoral map that you keep posting and reposting robotically is a product of a "cultural war" that didn't get started until the 1960s or 1970s and didn't take its present form until the 1990s.

Here you are partially right. I think this culture war has been going on at least since the English Civil War, regarding which many people suggest the US Civil War was just a later iteration. (Red Necks refer to Presbyterians who wore red collars)

rather than knuckle under to the Confederacy.

In what manner would they be expected to "knuckle under" to the Confederacy? It incorporated by design far more Federalism than did the Northern Union. It had less power to bother people. Power was less strongly concentrated.

They are "knuckling under" with the current system, which is far more intrusive than the Southern Confederacy would have been. It would have secured connections with economic ties. People would have been part of it because their economic interests would have been better served by it, and because culturally they would have been more like the people of the South, than those of Urban concentrations in the North.

710 posted on 05/03/2018 2:45:17 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DiogenesLamp; BroJoeK; SoCal Pubbie; rockrr
In what manner would they be expected to "knuckle under" to the Confederacy? It incorporated by design far more Federalism than did the Northern Union. It had less power to bother people. Power was less strongly concentrated.

How do you know what the future would possibly have held for the CSA?

Do you have an alternative reality future-predicting crystal ball? We know that the CSA was more statist than the US during the 1861-1865 Civil War. How could you possibly know that that wouldn't continue?

People would have been part of it because their economic interests would have been better served by it, and because culturally they would have been more like the people of the South, than those of Urban concentrations in the North.

Did you even bother to read my post? In 1900 there were no great differences between Washington and Idaho or Montana and Oregon or Vermont and Iowa or Wisconsin. They were all largely rural states. They shared a common culture and a common economy, that contrasted radically with the segregationist South. Even in the more urban states, the many farmers in the Berkshires or Catskills had much in common with those further west.

Hint: the economy and culture didn't always look like it does today. But I guess you'll never learn or admit anything. You'll just have to outgrow your obsessions -- if you can. I thought pretty much as you did when I was in high school and convinced that the teachers had it all wrong. Then I grew up.

713 posted on 05/03/2018 3:39:31 PM PDT by x
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