How do you know what the future would possibly have held for the CSA?
Do you have an alternative reality future-predicting crystal ball? We know that the CSA was more statist than the US during the 1861-1865 Civil War. How could you possibly know that that wouldn't continue?
People would have been part of it because their economic interests would have been better served by it, and because culturally they would have been more like the people of the South, than those of Urban concentrations in the North.
Did you even bother to read my post? In 1900 there were no great differences between Washington and Idaho or Montana and Oregon or Vermont and Iowa or Wisconsin. They were all largely rural states. They shared a common culture and a common economy, that contrasted radically with the segregationist South. Even in the more urban states, the many farmers in the Berkshires or Catskills had much in common with those further west.
Hint: the economy and culture didn't always look like it does today. But I guess you'll never learn or admit anything. You'll just have to outgrow your obsessions -- if you can. I thought pretty much as you did when I was in high school and convinced that the teachers had it all wrong. Then I grew up.
It’s interesting that the preamble to the CSA constitution states:
“We, the people of the Confederate States, each State acting in its sovereign and independent character, in order to form a permanent federal government, establish justice, insure domestic tranquillity, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity invoking the favor and guidance of Almighty God do ordain and establish this Constitution for the Confederate States of America.”m
Permanent federal government? What about the right to secede?
How can you look at the geography of the New World and tell certain places (Such as New York and San Fransisco) were destined to become Wealthy? Economics and human nature are not that difficult to predict in broad outlines.
The South had a cash cow, and if left alone that cash cow would have capitalized them, and eventually even the stupidest people realize they need to do something with their money. They put the money to work.
We know that the CSA was more statist than the US during the 1861-1865 Civil War.
As I've mentioned before, I give the people who are defending themselves from an attack more leeway than I do the people who are invading someone else. The Defenders are often under far greater pressure, and so it is not unreasonable for them to do whatever they think is necessary to stop the attack.
But in what way are you alleging that the CSA was more statist than the USA?
"you are therefore hereby commanded forthwith to arrest and imprison in any fort or military prison in your command the editors, proprietors, and publishers of the aforesaid newspapers, and all such persons as, after public notice has been given of the falsehood of said publication, print and publish the same with intent to give aid and comfort to the enemy; and you will hold the persons so arrested in close custody until they can be brought to trial before a military commission for their offense. You will also take possession by military force of the printing establishments of the New York World and Journal of Commerce, and hold the same until further orders, and prohibit any further publication therefrom.A. LINCOLN.
Did you even bother to read my post?
Yes, but the evidence of what is, overwhelms it. There is a reason why all these states vote with the South. Absent the Civil War, they would have been doing so a long time ago.
I thought pretty much as you did when I was in high school and convinced that the teachers had it all wrong.
Well now this is very strange. Most people grow up believing as you do now, and so did I. I never questioned the righteousness of the Civil War until my best friend (black guy from Baltimore who majored in history) put doubts into my mind about it. Oh sure, there were things that didn't make any sense to me when I learned of them in High School (The Blockade never made sense to me then, it does now.) but all in all, I just accepted the common opinion on the topic.
Why would you believe differently from what most people believe? What information could you have had that the rest of us lacked? Am I to surmise that you grew up in the South, and that they teach such things there?
I had always believed that the Union was in the right, and that Abraham Lincoln freed the slaves. It was only in the last couple of decades that I had developed any doubt, and only in the last three years that I have realized a different explanation makes far better sense than what I had always been told.
So how did you go the opposite way from me?