[BroJoeK]

DiogenesLamp: "You point out west Texas, Arizona and California, and if you had bothered to read what I wrote, you would know it was impossible to grow cotton in any of those places in the 1860s because it required modern electric pumps and irrigation systems to even make it possible."

Some cotton was grown in all those states before the sophisticated modern equipment now used.

DiogenesLamp: "Effectively, Slavery could not expand to the territories, so the whole issue was phoney baloney astro-turf crap, and curiously enough, the party which was most responsible for spreading this nonsense was the "Free Soil Party", and coincidentally it was head quartered in New York."

There were slaves in every southwestern territory & state, even though some state officials denied it.
For example: "New Mexico Territory never reported any slaves on the census, yet sued the government for compensation for 600 slaves that were freed when congress outlawed slavery in the territory.[233]".

DiogenesLamp on Confederate plans to expand their slavery outside the US: "So we have been constantly told, though the facts of modern cotton growing would indicate either those people in the 1860s who grew cotton for a living were either too stupid to know they couldn't grow cotton there, or this is just made up propaganda bullsh*t spread by people with other reasons for gaining those states representation in Congress."

Once again: cotton was grown in some areas of all those states without the latest in modern irrigation machinery.
More important, cotton was not the only successful slave-product, there were many others, sugar for example.

Here again is one vision of what the successful Confederate States Empire might look like:

[DiogenesLamp]

Here again is one vision of what the successful Confederate States Empire might look like:

That would be accurate if you added this to it.

But I'm glad you posted that. It supports my claim that the Confederate states would have become a major powerhouse if they had been left alone, and it was because the New York/WashingtonDC alliance saw this threat as well as others that they decided to invade the South.

You know what's funny about you? You post evidence that supports my point even when you don't realize you are doing so. I cannot wait to see how you now try to backtrack and claim that they would have never gotten so powerful.

It was fear that they would which caused the attack against them.