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To: SoCal Pubbie
What Northern claim? Everyone knows that the Union fought to preserve the Union in 1861.

It fought to Preserve economic control over the Southern money stream.

Lincoln was going to accept a deal to let the original seven states go if Virginia would offer assurances that it would remain in the Union. "A state for a fort is no bad business."

You see, the problem with principles is that they are inviolable. Once you violate them, they can no longer be regarded as a "principle", but are instead, bargaining chips for a deal.

This business of "Preserving the Union" is like that joke about the woman sleeping with a man for a Million bucks.

"We've already determined what sort of girl you are, now we are just haggling over the price. "

As with The Corwin Amendment breaking the principle of Union support for Slavery, so too does the "Virginia deal" break the principle of "Preserving the Union."

But here you are, pushing the propaganda you desperately desire to believe, that both "Slavery" and "Preserving the Union" are not mere bargaining chips used by a cynical manipulator to keep the money flowing to the right people.

When you finally wake the F*** up, I think you will end up doing some serious soul searching, as did I when I realized that most of what I had been told was just a lie.

The establishment Cartel of New York/Washington and it's media weapon still rule us today. Both New York and Washington are attempting to use all their firepower to get this guy that is challenging them.

511 posted on 04/24/2018 3:00:08 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DiogenesLamp

“When you finally wake the F*** up, I think you will end up doing some serious soul searching, as did I when I realized that most of what I had been told was just a lie.”

I am awake you fool, and I will never get my head stuck up my Southron region as you have!


519 posted on 04/24/2018 3:56:49 PM PDT by SoCal Pubbie
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To: DiogenesLamp; SoCal Pubbie; rockrr; x
DiogenesLamp: "Lincoln was going to accept a deal to let the original seven states go if Virginia would offer assurances that it would remain in the Union.
"A state for a fort is no bad business."

What a crock!
Lincoln's reported offer, "a state for a fort" had nothing to do with the "original seven states", but only with getting some value out of abandoning Federal properties.
Lincoln's promise was that he would not "assail" Confederates, and a fort for a state could do it, he thought.

DiogenesLamp: "As with The Corwin Amendment breaking the principle of Union support for Slavery, so too does the "Virginia deal" break the principle of "Preserving the Union." "

Utter nonsense, but a lie big enough to make old Joseph Goebbels blush.
Of course, Uncle Joe Stalin's minions would smile & nod -- they knew the more outrageous your lies, the better, so long as you delivered them with passion, frequently, and never back off, right?

DiogenesLamp: "When you finally wake the F*** up, I think you will end up doing some serious soul searching, as did I when I realized that most of what I had been told was just a lie. "

Sorry, but I don't think there's a seriously honest bone in DiogenesLamp's body -- it's all just propaganda, all just BS that he hopes somebody will buy, or accept for free.
So "serious soul searching" is not part of DiogenesLamp's make-up, doesn't know what it is and never did it.
It just that for some reason he swallowed the Lost Cause myth hook line & sinker and now can't, won't let go of it, regardless of facts.

628 posted on 04/28/2018 4:04:37 PM PDT by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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