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To: DiogenesLamp
DiogenesLamp: "General Beauregard made it quite clear to Major Anderson that he was not asking for a surrender, but merely an evacuation."

Who was that, Shakespeare or Gertrude Stein who said: "Sh*t by any other name would stink just as bad" and Sh*t is sh*t is sh*t"??

I'm not sure, but I am sure that when Anderson pulled down the US flag at Fort Sumter both he and everybody else in the world considered it a "surrender".
Of course, Lincoln didn't blame Anderson or Fox for the mission's failure, but he did find something useful to do with the, ahem, sh*t -- turned it into fertilizer to help grow Northern war fever...

234 posted on 04/18/2018 2:15:38 PM PDT by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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To: BroJoeK
Who was that, Shakespeare or Gertrude Stein who said: "Sh*t by any other name would stink just as bad" and Sh*t is sh*t is sh*t"??

You just can't admit you are mistaken, even when it can be easily proven that you are. I see you didn't ask me to post the message exchanges.

I'm not sure, but I am sure that when Anderson pulled down the US flag at Fort Sumter both he and everybody else in the world considered it a "surrender".

Because during an evacuation, they would walk away and leave the flag up with no one to attend to it.

Of course, Lincoln didn't blame Anderson or Fox for the mission's failure, but he did find something useful to do with the, ahem, sh*t -- turned it into fertilizer to help grow Northern war fever...

Lincoln was in fact delighted, because he now had his excuse to invade the South.

In a letter to Gustavous Fox he said:

"You and I both anticipated that the cause of the country would be advanced by making the attempt to provision Fort Sumter, even if it should fail, and it is no small consolation now to feel that our anticipation is justified by the result."

237 posted on 04/18/2018 2:30:28 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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