[DiogenesLamp]

Again I never contended that the North was fighting to free blacks in 1861. However, the South was fighting to keep them enslaved.

You mean the status quo before they left the Union?

The status quo which would have been maintained had they rejoined the Union early enough?

They were fighting to make sure that the thing which would not change anyway, wasn't going to change?

You talk about lying? The biggest lie in this conversation is this accusation that people fighting to defend their homes and homeland were evil because they did not insist on immediately making drastic social changes advocated by liberal Massachusetts nut-jobs of the period.

None of the Northern states made these changes either, but for some reason they don't share blame for the "evil" that those Southern states supposedly committed.

Can you say "Hypocrite?"

[SoCal Pubbie]

It’s not my fault that Southern Democrats were deranged, emotional, and paranoid.

What were these drastic social changes anyway?

[BroJoeK]

DiogenesLamp: "You talk about lying?
The biggest lie in this conversation is this accusation that people fighting to defend their homes and homeland were evil because they did not insist on immediately making drastic social changes advocated by liberal Massachusetts nut-jobs of the period."

In a Lost Causer mythology built on Big Lies atop Bigger Lies, that's a pretty big one all by itself.
And the worst part is, DiogenesLamp well knows better, but just can't stop it, right?