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Russia Feared Hitler's Panzer Tanks. But They Might Have Feared Who Led Them Even More.
http://nationalinterest.org/ ^ | 3/18/18

Posted on 03/21/2018 4:10:08 PM PDT by BBell

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To: Henry Hnyellar

I believe it was the Brits that cracked the Enigma code.


41 posted on 03/21/2018 7:39:10 PM PDT by Bull Snipe
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To: Pontiac; redleghunter; Springfield Reformer; kinsman redeemer; BlueDragon; metmom; boatbums; ...
Until the last few years I thought much the same. But after the last decade or so I have come to think differently of the Soviet Union. It may have been the salvation of Christianity in Europe. The Soviet oppression of Christianity may have saved it from the evil influence of the Humanist. Now the former Soviet puppet states are the brave bastions of Christianity in Europe. They stand against the Muslim invaders. New church construction is the number one employer in Russia. If these states had remained with the free West they may be right there with France being conquered by the Muslim hordes welcoming them with open arms. The Soviet Union was an evil empire, but God works in mysterious ways his wonders to perform.

Rather, Putin is an enemy of real Christianity.

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Moscow church destroyed in sign of new Russian repression Posted on Sep 26, 2012 | by Jill Nelson

MOSCOW (BP) -- It was in the early hours of the morning on Sept. 6 when Pastor Vasili Romanyuk's phone rang. A group of men backed by local police were demolishing his Holy Trinity Pentecostal Church, housed in a three-story building nestled in a Moscow suburb. As word spread, congregants arrived at the scene hoping to save the building, but their efforts were futile. By dawn the church was in ruins and some of its most valuable contents were missing.

An isolated incident? A misunderstanding? Analysts watching the current climate in the former Cold War country don't think so: "This destruction of the church is about as concrete of evidence as you can get that something very bad and very troubling is taking place," said Katrina Lantos Swett, chair of the U.S. Commission on International Religious Freedom. "This could not have happened without the backing, support, and implicit blessing of the police."

The incident is just one sign of deteriorating freedoms in Russia, and behind the scenes a cozy relationship between the Kremlin and the Russian Orthodox Church has raised more than a few eyebrows. As President Vladimir Putin digs into his third term, a number of Kremlin crackdowns involving vague interpretations of the country's extremism law and other human-rights abuses are troubling signs that the country has slipped into a familiar, repressive era.

"When you have unknown people backed by the police coming out at midnight to begin tearing down a church, you know something doesn't smell right," Lantos Swett said.

Officials evicted Holy Trinity Church from its original building in 1995 and relocated the church to the eastern Moscow suburb. The congregation used its own funds to construct a new building and repeatedly battled officials over permits. The church demolition and its history reflect an emerging pattern: Authorities confiscate land from non-favored religious communities and force the congregation to relocate to a remote suburb, the religious leaders apply for permits that are subsequently denied, and officials confiscate (once again) or demolish the relocated congregation, citing lack of proper documentation.

Pastor Romanyuk and a small group of the church's 550 congregants arrived on site around 3:30 a.m. as about 45 men claiming to be civil volunteers blocked them from the building and threw stones. "When I arrived, I just burst into tears," 25-year-old Natalya Cherevichinik told The Moscow Times as she surveyed the destruction. "I couldn't believe that something that had been built over several years could be destroyed in a few hours."

Russian Evangelicals Leery of Orthodox Church, Friday, December 30, 2011:

class="adjusted">MOSCOW, Russia -- For decades, the Russian Orthodox Church was persecuted under the Soviet Union's Communist Party.

Since the early 1990s, the church has grown in size and influence as its relationship with the Russian government has improved significantly.

However, that cozy relationship worries the country's evangelicals.

Threats Against Evangelicals

For eight years, Yuri Sipko ran one of the largest Baptist organizations in Russia. Now, 20 years after the fall of Communism, he worries about the growing threats against the country's evangelical movement.

"The collapse of Communism was supposed to usher in an era of greater religious freedom, but I'm concerned we are moving in the wrong direction," Sipko said.

What makes the Russian evangelicals very concerned is an emerging relationship between the Russian government and the Russian Orthodox Church.

"For example, the government recently introduced religious classes based on the principals of the Orthodox Church in public schools," Sipko said.

"Then late last year, the Russian president announced an initiative to appoint Orthodox chaplains to all army units," he said. "Our constitution clearly states no religion can be the state religion."

Russia Church-State Relations

Russia watchers credit two men, Prime Minister Vladimir Putin and President Dmitry Medvedev, for elevating the church's prominence. The state media has also played a key role, often showing the leaders attending church services.

Sergey Ryakhovski knows both men well. As head of Russia's Pentecostal Union, he meets regularly with top government and Orthodox Church leaders.

Ryakhovski worries that the Orthodox Church's influence is coming at the expense of religious freedom, especially for minority groups such as Christians, Jews, Muslims, and Buddhists.

"There are so many laws and by-laws that regulate religious life in Russia," Ryakhovski said. "For example, evangelical Christians just can't go out and buy a church building or buy a piece of land to build a church."

"Plus, criticizing or challenging the Orthodox Church is not a task for all," he added.

Orthodox Church Revival

The Russian Orthodox Church on the other hand has had it easy in recent times after decades of state persecution.

Church buildings that were destroyed during the Soviet era have been rebuilt with Russian taxpayer money. In the past 20 years, the government has spent hundreds of millions of dollars restoring some 23,000 churches.

Most Russians say they belong to the Orthodox Church. Yet CBN News found mixed reactions on the streets of Moscow to the growing bond between church and state

At Expense of All Others, Putin Picks a Church

By CLIFFORD J. LEVY Published: April 24, 2008

STARY OSKOL, Russia —

It was not long after a Methodist church put down roots here that the troubles began.

First came visits from agents of the F.S.B., a successor to the K.G.B., who evidently saw a threat in a few dozen searching souls who liked to huddle in cramped apartments to read the Bible and, perhaps, drink a little tea. Local officials then labeled the church a “sect.” Finally, last month, they shut it down.

There was a time after the fall of Communism when small Protestant congregations blossomed here in southwestern Russia, when a church was almost as easy to set up as a general store. Today, this industrial region has become emblematic of the suppression of religious freedom under President Vladimir V. Putin.

Just as the government has tightened control over political life, so, too, has it intruded in matters of faith. The Kremlin’s surrogates in many areas have turned the Russian Orthodox Church into a de facto official religion, warding off other Christian denominations that seem to offer the most significant competition for worshipers. They have all but banned proselytizing by Protestants and discouraged Protestant worship through a variety of harassing measures, according to dozens of interviews with government officials and religious leaders across Russia.

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A new Inquisition ?

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42 posted on 03/21/2018 7:55:33 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Trust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + follow Him)
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To: vladimir998

Sounds interesting.


43 posted on 03/21/2018 8:02:46 PM PDT by BBell (calm down and eat your sandwiches)
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To: BBell

Most interesting find. Thank you for posting.

Like others here, I’m a student of the time and hadn’t heard of the Graf before this.

An interesting sidenote for the Swabbies, the SMS/USS Prinz Eugen has it’s own interesting story. As mentioned in this story, it provided artillery support for withdrawing German ground troops. It also sailed with the Bismark and ultimately ended up a war prize and was won by the US drawing lots with the Brits and Soviets (it became the USS Prinz Eugen). The Navy sailed it to Bikini Atoll for nuclear tests. It rests today at Kwajalein Atoll where it leaks oil alongside the Reagan Test Site. Evidently it survived the nuclear blast(s) and was towed to the Atoll and sunk.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_cruiser_Prinz_Eugen

FReegards,
Kit


44 posted on 03/21/2018 8:03:07 PM PDT by KitJ (Shall not be infringed...)
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To: caver

I’m surprised he is not well known. He may have made an interesting movie.


45 posted on 03/21/2018 8:06:59 PM PDT by BBell (calm down and eat your sandwiches)
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To: BBell

Bump


46 posted on 03/21/2018 8:12:26 PM PDT by Covenantor (Men are ruled...by liars who refuse them news, and by fools who cannot govern. " Chesterton)
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To: daniel1212
Rather, Putin is an enemy of real Christianity.

Anti-Catholic are you?

47 posted on 03/21/2018 8:12:30 PM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.L)
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To: KitJ
Interesting about the Prinz Eugen. Two hits with atomic weapons and she survived in otherwise good condition.

It's funny that the American crew could not operate her. The Germans are famous for making things overly complicated but reliable.

48 posted on 03/21/2018 8:34:27 PM PDT by BBell (calm down and eat your sandwiches)
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To: BBell

49 posted on 03/21/2018 8:39:52 PM PDT by PLMerite ("They say that we were Cold Warriors. Yes, and a bloody good show, too." - Robert Conquest)
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To: BBell

Overwhelming, these Germans. Astounding life. Who could have such energy and determination?


50 posted on 03/21/2018 8:45:17 PM PDT by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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To: BBell

bumpmark


51 posted on 03/21/2018 8:45:57 PM PDT by BikerTrash
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To: BBell

Tl; read it all. Fascinating bit of history there.


52 posted on 03/21/2018 8:59:34 PM PDT by Kommodor (Terrorist, Journalist or Democrat? I can't tell the difference.)
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To: BBell

That was a great read about someone I’d not previously read about. Very interesting. Thanks for posting it all.


53 posted on 03/21/2018 9:31:01 PM PDT by octex
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To: IncPen

ping


54 posted on 03/21/2018 9:46:59 PM PDT by Nailbiter
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To: PLMerite

Good find! Not too many, including me, had heard of this guy before. WWII was full of so many people who were larger than life that it’s hard to keep track of them all.


55 posted on 03/21/2018 11:24:57 PM PDT by BBell (calm down and eat your sandwiches)
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To: vladimir998

I watched it. Strange flick. I see that you tube has a lot of Russian war flicks.


56 posted on 03/21/2018 11:28:48 PM PDT by BBell (calm down and eat your sandwiches)
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To: shanover
The Germans were on the way to doing that in 1941 but they screwed it over by committing mas murders of Ukrainians, Poles etc. (leave alone their killing of Jews)

The Germans had Russians ready to surrender to them if they were treated nicer than Stalin treated them (which wouldn't have been hard), but the Germans failed at that.

57 posted on 03/22/2018 1:21:41 AM PDT by Cronos (Obama's dislike of Assad is not based on his brutality but that he isn't a jihadi Moslem)
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To: BBell
The interesting thing about the T 34 was it was based on a design by Walther Christie, an American. He tried to get the US Army interested in it in the early ‘30s but they weren't impressed by it. The Russians were however and it revoutionized tank design. Wide tracks, low center of gravity and sloped frontal armor and the Russians could mass produce them like crazy. Surprised the hell out of the Germans when they first encountered it.
58 posted on 03/22/2018 4:27:21 AM PDT by jmacusa ("Made it Ma, top of the world!'')
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To: Pontiac
Anti-Catholic are you?

Indeed, since it is the largest, most manifest example of deformation of the NT church, Care to dispute that as a anti-evangelical?

Meanwhile, even if not engaging in the past Anti-Catholicism in the Soviet Union - Wikipedia, the RCC is discriminated against in Russia with the ROC being the state church, and with the Russia's Ban on Evangelism Is Now in Effect . the secretary of the Russian Conference of Roman Catholic Bishops has expressed that by applying the same standards by which such groups as the JWs (though being a cult) are banned even the Catholic Church in Russia could be discriminated and persecuted.

Of course, your Pope: It's a 'very grave sin' for Catholics to try to convert Orthodox ..., but whom many RCs disagree with, and in the past at least RCs were attacked by the ROC for proselytizing them. /p>

The Yarovaya law at issue exempts the government-allied Moscow Patriarchate of the Russian Orthodox Church from the measures that it applies to all other religious groups. The autonomous Russian Orthodox Church opposed the law; Archbishop Andrew Maklakov, administrator of the Russian Orthodox Autonomous Church of America, stated: "As the Russian Federation has drifted back to its Soviet roots more and more over the past 25 years, it has increasingly sought to harass, persecute, and destroy any religious organization that it might consider competition to its own 'state church.'"[31] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yarovaya_law#Criticisms_of_anti-evangelism_provisions

While many groups targeted for persecution are not Christian, Putin's War on Christianity Is the Russia Issue That Can't Be Ignored ...

59 posted on 03/22/2018 4:30:34 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Trust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + follow Him)
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To: imardmd1
Overwhelming, these Germans. Astounding life. Who could have such energy and determination?

The Japanese for one. There are amoral aspects of character which are essential for the viability of any organization. Neither the Mafia or a church can be effective without devotion, self-denial, loyalty, discipline, perseverance, industriousness, wisdom in strategy, logistics, etc., which are increasingly missing today in the West. Reading of a polar explorer Sir Ernest Henry Shackleton Incredible Voyage "Endurance" you wonder if we could find such men today as regards such aspects of character. (Which i come short in.)

And which great Christian missionaries exampled, and it is when such amoral aspects of character are coupled with high ideals that they are used for good, in contrast to the Germans and Japanese in WW2.

60 posted on 03/22/2018 4:49:45 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Trust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + follow Him)
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