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3 dead in tour helicopter crash at Grand Canyon
L A Times ^ | Feb 10, 2018

Posted on 02/10/2018 9:57:05 PM PST by BenLurkin

[S]ix passengers and a pilot were on board the Papillon helicopter when it crashed about 5:20 p.m. The other four were injured and were still being treated at the scene.

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Federal Aviation Administration spokesman Allen Kenitzer said the Eurocopter EC130 crashed in unknown circumstances and sustained heavy damage.

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TOPICS: Travel
KEYWORDS: crash; grandcanyon; helicopter; tour
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To: JockoManning

Took a helicopter ride in Hawaii. Absolutely amazing.


21 posted on 02/11/2018 2:37:20 AM PST by lizma2
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To: lizma2

Over the Grand Canyon of the Pacific on Kauai?


22 posted on 02/11/2018 3:06:11 AM PST by JockoManning (to cpy/paste if want: http://preview.tinyurl.com/Haiku-For-The-End-Times)
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To: proud American in Canada

I rode a mule down once. At first I was trying to guide it, then I figured the thing probably doesn’t want to die anymore than I do, and I let it have it’s head heh.

It was a good trip, I’d do it again.


23 posted on 02/11/2018 3:06:39 AM PST by Bulwyf
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To: sparklite2
That really should have been more commonly defined
24 posted on 02/11/2018 3:25:52 AM PST by knarf (I say things that are true, I have no proof, but they're true)
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To: Yosemitest
Mechanical failure with gusting winds in a canyon is what I suspect.

That and failure to maintaining proper pitch angle during the decent in order to avoid canyon walls.

25 posted on 02/11/2018 3:25:52 AM PST by InABunkerUnderSF (Back from the dead)
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To: WASCWatch

Altitude and gross weight are important factors in autorotation. Altitude may have been too low for the aircraft that was at or near max gross for the altitude density to achieve enough autorotation to have the desired effect. I believe some autorotation was achieved as there were survivors. Helicopter crashes from the gray zone below which good autorotation can be achieved rarely yield survivors.


26 posted on 02/11/2018 3:28:22 AM PST by VTenigma (The Democrat party is the party of the mathematically challenged)
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To: Bulwyf

...just supposin, the critter decides
life ain’t worth living, and in a very
depress state, steps off.... sometime
within the rapidly increasing descent it changes it’s pebble size mind and pops his emergency shute and the above crowd breaks out
loud applause and laughter and those who missing it are already booking tickets for the next trip....and you are not,because you didn’t buckle up.


27 posted on 02/11/2018 3:39:56 AM PST by Doogle (( USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand....never store a threat you should have eliminated)))
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To: Doogle

Listen Doogle, it’s a statistical fact that seat belts will either save you or kill you depending on physics. It’s about 50/50. You’re damned if you and damned if you don’t. In this case, I’m not strapping myself to a smelly critter, I’ll have to rely on the good ol tuck and roll.


28 posted on 02/11/2018 4:01:08 AM PST by Bulwyf
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To: Bulwyf

hmmmm..tuck and roll at 237 mph over jagged rocky ledges...why didn’t I think of that?


29 posted on 02/11/2018 4:07:06 AM PST by Doogle (( USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand....never store a threat you should have eliminated)))
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To: bigbob

I still hope to take lessons someday.


30 posted on 02/11/2018 4:30:01 AM PST by wally_bert (I didn't get where I am today by selling ice cream tasting of bookends, pumice stone & West Germany)
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To: lizma2

We tried the helicopter tour in Hawaii as well. Even with autorotation and elevation, in most of the Hawaiian canyon there are no good areas to touch down without power. I thought about it the entire tour and didn’t really enjoy the ride.


31 posted on 02/11/2018 4:41:23 AM PST by caltaxed
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To: lizma2

Helicopter ride on Maui scared the living daylights out of me. Small plane tour in Kauai was more to my liking.


32 posted on 02/11/2018 4:54:21 AM PST by DallasGal (Texas Strong)
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To: DallasGal

Although I lived on Oahu, I’ve never set foot anywhere in the State of Hawaii.


33 posted on 02/11/2018 5:06:55 AM PST by null and void (What do the democrats stand for? Not record low black unemployment...)
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To: null and void

1st visit was Maui and Oahu. Hated Honolulu and Wakiki. Enjoyed Kailua and the North Shore. 2nd and 4th visit was the Big Island. Loved the Kona area. 3rd was Kauai. Amazingly beautiful. Got to do some nice hiking and catamaraning along the NaPali coast. Won’t be going back so I’m glad I was able to visit several places


34 posted on 02/11/2018 5:23:05 AM PST by DallasGal (Texas Strong)
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To: DallasGal

We lived in Kaneohe.

I doubt I’ll ever go back, it would ruin the riddle...


35 posted on 02/11/2018 5:26:00 AM PST by null and void (What do the democrats stand for? Not record low black unemployment...)
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To: proud American in Canada
However, if I were on one of those mules, I would want it to be as comfy as possible. ;) I may have to lose some weght. LOL!

No such thing as *comfy* while riding one of those mules.

I hiked the Canyon about half way down when I was there many years ago and there's NO WAY I would ride a mule down those paths.

I went horse back for an hour later on that same vacation and could hardly walk for two days. I cannot even begin to imagine a whole day on one of those critters taking that trail.

36 posted on 02/11/2018 6:14:03 AM PST by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith..)
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To: Doogle

A properly executed tuck and roll will always work.


37 posted on 02/11/2018 6:22:05 AM PST by Bulwyf
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To: Yosemitest

A pilot will likely correct me, but when in the Army, I was on a UH-1 that auto rotated to a safe landing. My understanding was the aircraft needed enough altitude so the controlled fall would get the main rotor going fast enough to build inertia so when the ground was approaching pitch could be pulled to soften the landing, if not make a perfect landing. My recollection was the pilot made a combination auto rotation and running landing.

Point is, if this aircraft did not have enough altitude to begin with, or a relatively smooth area to land, it’s toast.


38 posted on 02/11/2018 8:04:43 AM PST by redfreedom
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To: BenLurkin

Interestingly enough, but considering the times we live in - not necessarily unreasonably, my first thought was “which past Clinton associate was aboard?”


39 posted on 02/11/2018 8:35:50 AM PST by oldfart
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To: knarf

If you mean Zarathustra, those who know, know, and those who don’t would need too long an explanation.


40 posted on 02/11/2018 10:38:46 AM PST by sparklite2 (See more at Sparklite Times)
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