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Hang in there. I remember when I got a flat tire when I was taking my son to someplace he wanted to go. He was livid with me but he learned to change a tire that day!

They turn human again when they hit 24. My son lives in Europe and called me a few weeks after his 24th complaining about how strict I had been. I was thinking about should I hang up on him he say “Thanks for doing that. You taught me discipline.”

They will get it. Eventually.

Oh Darlin celebrate Christmas. It’s a reminder you will see him again!

Thanks for the encouraging talk. This one is very learning challenged but even so I expect eventually certain basic manners and functioning from him. Some things are too dangerous for him to learn like I wouldn't want him turning on a stove, for example. But his doctor said no more than two hours on tech things each day. And to get the tv out of his bedroom. My daughter won't do it because she doesn't want to deal with the complaining. He's on psych meds already, can't or won't clean himself properly, but is usually civil to me.

My son whom I dearly loved certainly had faults but he did learn what you are saying and was a great help and comfort to me in many ways. What happened with him wasn't my fault in the events and choices, but I blame myself for passing on the anxiety gene which tormented us both terribly. He fought so hard to cover it up, made many accomplishments but eventually it was a woman who was the primary cause for losing him. He loved her so much and gave her so much, and she and his best friend and business partner betrayed him in an awful way. The only way I can deal with that part of it is to not think about it. I don't blame him for what he did,

He did, towards the end, wrote me such a loving and appreciative email for how good I was to him as a child, I have printed it out and put with my treasured keepsakes.

Christmas, I can't like other people do the last couple years, too much physical and emotional pain combined, spend most of the time in bed. The best I can do is not ruin it for the others.

I felt bad about airing my family problems on that uplifting thread and thought about asking the mod to delete them, but let it be.