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To: Natufian

‘Now, here is a simple and reasonable question. If a woman has a baby, where, as a general rule, would she and the baby first be seen? Somewhere in the vicinity of the birth, or 2,683 miles away?’

You are the one, btw, who is dodging a question. That’s something you have in common with—ahem—Pete. He liked to demand answers, but absolutely refused to answer even the simplest and most reasonable questions himself.

Sound familiar?


156 posted on 12/12/2017 3:47:45 PM PST by Fantasywriter (Any attempt to do forensic work using Internet artifacts is fraught with pitfalls. JoeProbono)
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To: Fantasywriter
Okay, let's play it your way.

If a woman has a baby, where, as a general rule, would she and the baby first be seen? Somewhere in the vicinity of the birth, or 2,683 miles away?’

Firstly, we're talking about the first 4 weeks or so of an infants' life. Secondly, we're talking about a general rule which recognises that there can be exceptions. Thirdly, it's wrong to use the phrase "first be seen", we know that the first person to see the baby was the doctor or nurse who delivered them (BTW there is an account, albeit hearsay, from the medical staff who delivered BO II in Hawaii in Maraniss' book), better to say 'first documented account" of the mother and child. Finally, the use of the figure of 2.6k km is a bit of a red herring, it's a great distance but one that can be covered in 6 hours on a jet, maybe 10 (generously) in 1961 and no evidence has been presented to show that the rules in 1961 were any stricter than they are today.

Given the above and staying within the general rule parameter, I'd agree that these days the likelihood is that the first documented account would be extremely close to the place of birth, probably a photo from the delivery room or a social media post.

If we're talking about 1961, the issue is less clear cut. Almost 60 years ago, lives were much less densely recorded. It's not beyond the realm of possibility to have a 4 week gap in someone's life. So there's a chance you're right but it's not anywhere near conclusive, which means we have to look for other evidence to support your claim of SAD being missing from Hawaii during the entirety of her pregnancy and that she gave birth in Seattle/Vancouver.

Against that hypothesis we have multiple and documented evidence of a marriage in Hawaii in February and a birth in Hawaii in August.

Now all we need is the evidence you have that SAD was in Seattle/Vancouver for the 10 months prior to September 1961. What have you got?

165 posted on 12/13/2017 3:14:16 AM PST by Natufian (t)
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