Will the Obama Birth Certificate Forgery Ever Be Probed by Federal Authorities?

The Post & Email ^ | 12/7/2017 | Sharon Rondeau

[Fantasywriter]

If Stanley Ann had spent ~6 mos or so in Kenya, someone would have stepped forward by now who remembers her being there. At *least* one person would recall a pregnant white American woman who spent her most pregnant mos either in or near the village of Obama Sr’s residence. (If she didn’t go to Kenya to meet Obama Sr’s family, then why would she have gone?)

The most likely explanation for all the Kenya talk is, A, Obama had been claiming a Kenyan birth since childhood, and B, it was of crucial importance to Obama’s political future that people be kept unaware for as long as possible of the fact that the first confirmed sighting of Stanley Ann with her newborn was in Seattle. (Obama’s enablers understood what the Obots do not—that this fact was devastating to Obama’s HI birth claim.) So Obama spent years fanning the Kenyan rumor flames, all as a diversion.

[Fred Nerks]

That the Kenyan may have advised the student advisor in April 1961 that he had married Stanley Ann Dunham doesn’t make a marriage. All it suggests to me is that this is the point in time in which the identities of the student Ann Obama and the Dunham daughter were blended.
Ann Obama wasn’t Stanley Ann Dunham. Ann Obama is seen standing close to the Kenyan student in the group photograph supplied by Codevilla.

[Fred Nerks]

Cashill.com

In fact, it was Obama Sr. who told the INS officials about the wife and child, and they were openly skeptical about the validity of the marriage.

The most significant problem with Jacobs’ reporting, however, is that she seems to have gotten information others did not.

Wrote Dahling in the memo, based on a recent conversation with Obama Sr., ““Subject got his USC wife ‘Hapai’ and although they were married they do not live together and Miss Dunham is making arrangements with the Salvation Army to give the baby away.’’

“Hapai” apparently is Hawaiian for pregnant. “USC” is shorthand for “ United States citizen.” According to Jacobs, the Dahling memo also noted that Obama Sr. had previously been warned about his “playboy ways.”

This same memo showed up in the batch requested by the Arizona Independent and posted online the evening of April 26, 2011, the night before President Obama shared his birth certificate.

Although reporter Heather Smathers had the same April 12 memo that talked about Obama Sr.’s “playboy ways,” the Independent did not report on the potential adoption

The reason for Smathers’ silence was simple enough: the critical sentence had been redacted on the document she received. In terms of sentence flow and length, it would seem to fit right in place in the middle of the document’s third paragraph.

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... and Miss Dunham is making arrangements with the Salvation Army to give the baby away.’’

That is pure conjecture. There are too many missing words to reach that conclusion. It's also doubtful that the name is 'Miss Dunham'

[4Zoltan]

“You have no idea how SA would have filled out the form.”

Hey Moron, neither do you. More importantly you have no idea what Obama Sr. may have told Stanley Ann about Africa and Kenya specifically.

Did he talk about the Mau Mau rebellion?

Oh look one of the classes Stanley Ann took at the University of Washington in the Fall of 1961 was the history of Africa South. Clearly she had an interest.

The statistics and probabilities of Stanley Ann using the American term Negro to describe her African husband’s race is close to 0%.

BTW, up until this moment you had no idea that it was the parents that entered the race on the birth certificates or that Kenya listed African as an official race designation.

Just like you had no idea the Salvation Army had a home in Honolulu.

You really need to leave the research stuff to people who know what they are doing.

[Fantasywriter]

There’s not a word in your post that’s true. Pathological lying must be contagious. After defending Obama for so many years, you’ve succombed to the condition.

Obots are the angriest, most frustrated subset of people posting on FR. But then, Leftists in general are hopelessly angry people. And immature. And nasty. And pretty much hateful toward everything but fellow moonbats.

What a life.

[4Zoltan]

“That the Kenyan may have advised the student advisor in April 1961 that he had married Stanley Ann Dunham doesn’t make a marriage.”

On the divorce decree the court wrote “due proof was made to this Court that the said parties are legally intermarried”

So Stanley Ann Dunham and her attorney were able to provide proof of a legal intermarriage enough to satisfy the judge.

[4Zoltan]

So you are saying that you do know how SAD would have filled out the form and what Obama told her about Africa and Kenya.

You were there.

[Fred Nerks]

On the divorce decree the court wrote “due proof was made to this Court that the said parties are legally intermarried”

Wait for it: And the court was presented with a marriage certificate and a birth certificate. They were identified on the missing page 11, and the documents were removed from the divorce file, never to be seen again.

[Fantasywriter]

You either do not read my posts or—which is more likely—you read them and misunderstand every line. There’s no known cure for that problem, at least none that I’m aware of.

It really must have something to do with idealizing Obama all these years. He was another one who could never comprehend the positions or arguments of anyone who disagreed with him. At first when Obama completely misrepresented such people, I imagined he was doing it on purpose. Only later did I realize that his intellect was too limited to grasp opposing views. He merely glommed onto inaccurate stereotypes and strawmen, and argued with those. It was the best he could do.

His most devoted, diehard supporters follow in his footsteps. Perhaps it is the insecurity of the small-minded. If you actually tried to understand an alternate view, you might end up inescapably confronted your inability to do so. That would be intellectually devastating.

[Fred Nerks]

The Obama File archive

Taken in Hawaii in 1961 at Arnie and Suzie Nachmanoff's house (Pearl Harbor): from left to right: Kiri Tith (then Cambodia), Kitaichi (Japan), Marda (USA), Ichiro (Japan), Suzie Nachmanoff (Host, USA), Dave (USA), Kunio (Japan), Bob (USA), Rajapakse (Sri Lanka), Barak Obama senior (Kenya), Anne (USA)

[4Zoltan]

Only one mention of an exhibit - Exhibit A and that is the notice of service receipt.

A marriage certificate or birth certificate would be an exhibit.

[Fred Nerks]

And a marriage certificate and a birth certificate would also be an exhibit. Or are you saying that the judge would accept verbal instructions for both, and NOT require to see documentation?

That a divorce decree and a sole custody can be issued without any identification documents?

What WAS on that missing page 11?

You've lost me. Like Jack Cashill, who should know better, everyone is totally invested in the myth that Stanley Ann Dunham was Ann/Anna Obama.

Even though she wasn't in Hawaii. The student shown on the letter from the university as having been enrolled from Fall, 1960, was the student Ann Obama, living at the Pratt/Dunham residence.

While Stanley Ann was most probably living with her Uncle, Charles T Payne, or her Aunt Margaret, both of whom were connected to the University of Chicago. Charles lived in Hyde Park, where his wife Melanie was later on a committee with the wife of David Axelrod.

I'm done. The reason you can't find Stanley Ann in Hawaii is that she wasn't there. She didn't show up until January 1963 with a toddler after she changed her name on Social Security from Stanley Ann Dunham to Ann Dunham Obama.

It's there, right under your noses.

ANN DUNHAM OBAMA. Just like the name on the fake LFBC. To which they had to add (Stanley) to make you believe it.

[Fred Nerks]

http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2014/08/12/obamas-great-uncle-charles-payne-dies/

In the 1960s, Payne helped the University of Chicago library guide a major transition “from a paper-based environment to an electronic environment,” said U of C interim library director Alice Schreyer, who once worked with Payne.

[4Zoltan]

“Senior Arrives In Hawaii”

Here is Codaville’s original article. No pictures. The article is from 2011 after the CBS image was published.

Is there an image of this newspaper article from 1959?

If not it seems strange no one has dug it up.

http://www.claremont.org/crb/article/the-chosen-one/

[Fred Nerks]

http://news.lib.uchicago.edu/blog/2014/08/page/2/

After the war, he earned a B.S. in chemical engineering from Kansas State University and worked as a chemical engineer before enrolling in the University’s Graduate Library School in 1960. Prior to his work as Systems Librarian, Payne held positions as Reference Librarian and Research Associate in the Industrial Relations Center at the University.

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Now it might just make more sense that somewhere in ‘Dreams’ Stanley Ann is placed in Chicago, working as an au paire. Words put into her mouth have her there when she was only ‘sixteen then’

No one ever bothered to ask, why would she have been accepted to attend the University of Chicago...

[Fred Nerks]

http://webarchive.loc.gov/all/20160504223123/http://www.theobamafile.com/_family/Senior.htm

the information I posted is from the archived OBAMA FILE

links shown are no longer live.

Purely my personal conjecture, Codevilla spent a period if time attached to the Navy. As did Nachmanoff at whose home in Hawaii the social gathering photographs were taken. I am inclined to believe the original photograph source might have been Nachmanoff and the image found its way to Codevilla.

And no, no one ever did find where that image was first published, if it was. It’s only useful to show the Kenyan student in the company of a girl identified at the Nachmanoffs as Ann/Anne USA, and indicates that both Stanley Armour Dunham and Abercrombie were there in the group image in which the Kenyan is wrapped in numerous lei. (Aside from several other people who I have not named.)

[MayflowerMadam]

“perhaps it is on Trump’s list.”

Wouldn’t surprise me. He was an early-on “birther”.

[Fred Nerks]

...Another photo, published in a Honolulu newspaper in 1959, shows Stanley Dunham escorted by uniformed U.S. Navy officers, greeting Barack Obama, Sr., as he arrived in Hawaii from Kenya. Because Obama was among 80 other Kenyans whom CIA had chosen for sojourns in the U.S. to influence them, it is logical that he and others like him would have been placed around the country in the hands of trusted handlers. The greeting photo suggests that Dunham may well have been one of these, and hence that the Kenyan did not meet Dunham's daughter, Ann, in a classroom. This would fit the chronology: Classes started on September 26. Ann was pregnant by early November. Obama was housed at the University of Hawaii's East-West Center facility funded by the Asia Foundation, itself funded by CIA...

That entire paragraph is full of so many holes...

The Kenyan wasn't chosen, he was rejected from the list of students compiled by Mboya. His fare was paid by Elizabeth Mooney, who was working in Kenya for the Laubach organisation. He didn't arrive with the airlift students, he was already in Hawaii when the first contingent of students arrived at Idelwild airport.

He arrived in July 1959. 'Ann was pregnant in early November...'???? IN 1959?

And the Kenyan student was a student at the University NOT The East West Centre.

Fat lot of use that was. He needs to edit/rewrite.

[4Zoltan]

The two original links in the archived OBAMAFILE are Jack Cashill’s Gulag Bound and the Codevilla’s article

http://gulagbound.com/18116/a-closer-look-at-obama-sr/

https://www.claremont.org/crb/article/the-chosen-one/

The problem I’m still having is that both the Cashill article and the Codevilla article are from 2011. The CBS image is from 2007.

[Fred Nerks]

you're right, that's exactly what Beckwith wrote on The Obama File:

In a recent article in the link (Claremont Review of Books), national-security guru Angelo Codevilla makes a provocative claim.

“Another photo, published in a Honolulu newspaper in 1959,” he writes, “shows [Ann’s father] Stanley Dunham escorted by uniformed U.S. Navy officers, greeting Barack Obama Sr., as he arrived in Hawaii from Kenya.”

In the photo, Dunham stands next to Obama smiling. Codevilla contends that the CIA might well have assigned Dunham to keep an eye on Obama, an unwitting pawn in the agency’s mission to woo the emerging African elite.

If Codevilla is right, then Jacobs’ book is close to all wrong. In her account, Obama arrives, alone and friendless in Hawaii, not surrounded by 20 well-wishers, chief among them a future father-in-law who was not yet supposed to be there.

If the date of the photo can be verified as 1959, Codevilla is likely right, and the mystery deepens.

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So both Cashill and Codevilla are referring to an image that was published by CBS in 2007. That doesn't get you any closer to where it supposedly appeared in a Honolulu Newspaper in 1959...IF IT DID.