Will the Obama Birth Certificate Forgery Ever Be Probed by Federal Authorities?

The Post & Email ^ | 12/7/2017 | Sharon Rondeau

[x]

Will it ever be proved that he was born in Kenya?

[4Zoltan]

“Who witnessed that wedding?”

Only need one and it can be the Justice of the Peace who performs the ceremony.

Obviously they were married enough so that she had to hire an attorney and go through a legal divorce. And for Judge King to decree “due proof was made to this Court that the said parties are legally intermarried.”

Both of her marriages appear in the Department of Health’s index.

[Fantasywriter]

What strangeness about the wedding did Obama know that Judge King didn’t know?

Quote from Dreams, re the supposed marriage of SA and O Sr:

‘In fact, how and when the marriage occurred remains a bit murky, a bill of particulars that I’ve never quite had the courage to explore.”’

[wintertime]

Most serious of all, the highest ranking military are complicit as well. Shame on them. How many were killed or maimed because of illicit White Occupant's rules of engagement?

[wintertime]

Lieutenant Quarles Harris Jr.

[4Zoltan]

Judge King would not care about the particulars of the marriage only that a legal marriage occurred. Apparently they presented him with enough evidence. He also called it an “intermarriage”.

As to what Obama didn’t want to explore, my speculation is he didn’t want to know the marriage was a shotgun wedding and not a love fest.

[Fantasywriter]

Your ignorance of the subject matter is such as befits a retread zotted Obot troll.

There have been several Obama-friendly bios. Please cite the one that located a single person with knowledge of Stanley Ann’s whereabouts during her pregnancy.

Uh oh. Time for Pete to run like a scared rabbit. This is his MO when asked to produce anything more substantial than pure bloviation.

[Fantasywriter]

‘he didn’t want to know the marriage was a shotgun wedding and not a love fest.’

Not quite the case, according to Obama.

“My parents shared not only an improbable love, they shared an abiding faith in the possibilities of this nation. They would give me an African name, Barack, or blessed, believing that in a tolerant America your name is no barrier to success.”

Read more at: https://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/barack_obama_375640

[4Zoltan]

you don’t seem to understand that is exactly why he didn’t want to explore the particulars of the marriage.

[Fantasywriter]

Because he suspected the whole cheesy, ‘improbable love,’ routine was a steaming pile of drivel? Odd if that’s the case, since he placed so much emphasis on his biographical details, as he sought to rise politically without any consequential achievements.

[Natufian]

You do not know that airlines in ‘61 allowed newborns to fly with a dr’s note. It is pure speculation.

It's not speculation really. Currently, the FAA allows infants from 1 week old to fly and here's a press article showing how babies travelled on aircraft in the 1950's:

https://www.boredpanda.com/vintage-infants-airplane-skycot-boac-flights/

If the rules have changed, then there should be a record of it that you can find to support your assertion.

[Fantasywriter]

It’s not up to me to prove that Stanley Ann would have been allowed to take a <1 mo old baby on a 2,683 mile flight. I have said all along that if SA had had the baby in HI she’d have stayed there. I also maintain that her parents got her out of HI long before airline rules could have been an issue. This explains why no one has confirmed they saw her in HI from the end of the fall ‘60 semester until she returned in ‘63, why no one has any earthly idea where in HI she (supposedly) lived, why no one remembers her going to the hospital or coming home, why an address was used on the BC at which SA was NOT living, etc. etc.

If my entire theory hinged on SA being allowed to make such a marathon flight with a newborn, then it would be up to me to prove that airlines in ‘61 allowed newborns in such circumstances. Your reference/link is not to a newborn. Nor do you address the fact that technology was nothing in ‘61 compared to what it is today. Personally, I absolutely do not believe such a tiny infant would have been allowed on a 2,83 mile flight back then. But I don’t have to prove that bc all known facts point to Stanley Ann already being in the Seattle/Vancouver area when the baby was born.

Btw, what is your theory as to why SA would have rushed out of HI under the circumstances? Had she given birth there, she had many reasons to remain. Why would she have undertaken such an upheaval in her life?

[Natufian]

It is up to you to support the following assertion you made in post 99:

Given airline restrictions in 1961, it’s a virtual impossibility that SA gave birth in HI and then rushed the newborn onto a flight for Seattle.

What restrictions are you talking about?

I'll reply to your other points later, busy right now.

[4Zoltan]

"Nor do you address the fact that technology was nothing in ‘61 compared to what it is today. Personally, I absolutely do not believe such a tiny infant would have been allowed on a 2,83 mile flight back then."

You think in 1961 air travel was more restrictive than it is today? Even today with all the technology, the FAA allows children under the age of two years to sit unrestrained on their parent's lap. Even though this is a known safety issue.

Looking at various airline websites - Southwest allows two week old infants to fly and Alaska Airlines says they have no age restrictions but recommends that family doctor gives an okay.

Alaska Airlines:

"While there is no minimum age for infants traveling with us, check with your doctor if you're unsure your infant should be traveling via plane."

https://www.alaskaair.com/content/travel-info/policies/traveling-with-lap-infants

"why no one remembers her going to the hospital or coming home, why an address was used on the BC at which SA was NOT living, etc. etc."

But it was the address where her parents' lived and where she lived according to the 1961-1962 Polk Directory for Honolulu.

Btw, what is your theory as to why SA would have rushed out of HI under the circumstances? Had she given birth there, she had many reasons to remain. Why would she have undertaken such an upheaval in her life?

From the August 31, 1961 it would appear the transfer to UofW was planned for sometime. My guess is she left to get away from her husband.

Similar to when Leslie Lynch King Jr"s mother left her husband when he was two weeks old and went from Omaha, Nebraska to Grand Rapids, Michigan.

[Fantasywriter]

I had previously found an article
that mentioned restrictions on air travel with newborns. I believe I actually did bookmark it, but it happened to be on my phone. ~Two weeks ago I dropped that phone (accidentally) in a bucket of water. It’s gone and it’s not coming back.

I’ve been trying to reconnect with that particular article. So far it hasn’t come up. I did find one that recommends, in the present, waiting until a baby is a month old before flying. From my POV, that would translate to an absolute restriction ~55-60 years ago. Cabin pressure was not as reliably regulated, and turbulence was a bigger issue.

However, I do not have a link for that information. I remain convinced that the onus is on those who claim it was not an issue. After all, Obama’s apologists are usually more than eager to prove that his claims hold up. Why be shy now? As I said before, if my entire theory rested on the proposition that the airlines in ‘61 welcomed newborns, I’d understand that the burden of proof rested on me.

[Fantasywriter]

Honestly, I get so sick of Obots I could puke. This has all been discussed before. It’s incredible that you continue to make the same discredited claims. The only possible explanation is that Obotism is a mental illness.

Cindy Pratt lived at the address listed on the birth certificate. She affirmed that SA lived there in the fall of ‘60. David Maraniss documented in his book that SA did not live there before or after giving birth.

Maraniss spent many months in Honolulu. He is a diehard Obot. If there was any chance SA was living at that address during the timeframe in question, he’d have documented it.

As long as you’re just making garbage up, why not postulate a better reason for Stanley Ann to rush off to Seattle. She never lived with Obama Sr, and there is not a scrap of actual evidence that she needed to flee from him. Just because a thought occurs in your imagination does not transform it into a fact or evidence.

[Fantasywriter]

‘You think in 1961 air travel was more restrictive than it is today?’

When it comes to newborns, yes I do. There have been advances in cabin air pressure stabilization even in my lifetime. To suggest it was as reliably regulated in ‘61 as it is today is stupid. Why would an airline risk damage to a newborn’s ears when they didn’t have to? That makes no sense on any account.

[4Zoltan]

Maraniss also says that Stanley Ann got two As in two of her classes she completed for the fall 1960 semester and that the semester ended on January 31, 1961.

Shortly after that (February 2nd, 1961) they married in Maui.

On March 3rd, 1961 he listed his address with the Immigration Service as as 1704 Punahou Street Apt 15.

Did she live there with him?

In August, 1961 he listed his address as 1482 Alencastre Street.

By June, 1962 he was on the mainland and she returned to Hawaii. Interesting that she waited to return to hawaii after he left.

[Fantasywriter]

Are you the last person on earth who still thinks Stanley Ann and Obama Senior might have lived together?

Asking for a friend.