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To: nickcarraway; Mariner

Putin talks up a good game when the West is weak. BUT does he ever acknowledge the role his beloved old USSR had in the rampant and insidious channels by which Soviet ideology infiltrated and *secularized* the WEST and moved some of our core institutions towards leftism and socialism? (And continues to!)

No, rather, he calls the fall of the Soviet Union the greatest geopolitical catastrophe of the past century.

Russia has faithful Christians and priests/monastics among the population, but as a nation it will not be able to claim a leadership mantle so long as it harbors Putin’s government — which directly traces its roots to the Bolshevik terror, to Stalin, despite the collapse of the USSR.

And it’s not as though the tsars* were the much better, give or take a few.

The Russian Orthodox Church needs to forge an identity separate from the earthly whims of Empire. And the Russian State and PEOPLE need to completely divorce from the Bolshevik legacy through a process of repentance and genuine spiritual renewal.

At the moment, the Church there operates as a fascist entity with a lot of surface ritual. Lenin statues, Stalin busts, Dzherzinsky portraits stand proudly next to that of Christian saints and icons. :(

Not to mention Lenin’s body is STILL unburied and lies in full display in the center of Red Square.

Double-minded Hypocrisy at its finest.


5 posted on 12/01/2017 4:01:46 PM PST by GoldenState_Rose
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To: GoldenState_Rose

you appear erudite and therefore must know, the joining of church and state has been the historical norm.

And still is in vast swathes of the world.

In fact, to the best of my knowledge the USA was the very first secular government. Even today there are numerous State Churches in Europe.

Does Ukraine have one?

This one is fairly, though not totally, innocuous by that bigger measure.

And I’m only applying the tape to Christendom. 2when we measure Islam, there is even a closer step toward total theocracy. Each and every one of them imbued with more evil than the ROC.

I think your essential gripe is with the Russian State.


10 posted on 12/01/2017 5:25:50 PM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: GoldenState_Rose
Russia claims to be done with communism and now supposedly detests it. Meanwhile, they prop-up and are allied with every US-hostile communist regime on the planet.

How Russia arms America's southern neighbors

Ioan Grillo
May 9, 2014

RIO DE JANEIRO, Brazil -- Russia's push into Ukraine has put many on edge. But less known is that Russia is also strengthening its military links south of the Rio Grande and re-establishing itself as a power in the region.

Vladimir Putin has been strengthening military links here, and Russia is now the largest arms dealer to governments in Latin America, surpassing the United States.

Russia has even floated the possibility of building new military bases in Cuba, Venezuela and Nicaragua, and putting its warships permanently in the Caribbean.

In the midst of the Ukraine crisis, Russia's top diplomat Sergei Lavrov recently visited Cuba, Peru, Chile, and Nicaragua, where he announced that Russia would also pour money into the new Central American canal project. ..."

http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news/regions/americas/140508/russian-arms-military-trade-latin-america
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Russia Boosts Arms, Training for Leftist Latin Militaries

Moscow defense minister inks deals with Cuba, Venezuela, Nicaragua for joint exercises

BY: Bill Gertz
February 20, 2015

Russia agreed to provide military training for three leftist regimes in Latin America and increase military visits and exercises following a visit last week to the region by Moscow's Defense Minister Sergei Shoygu, Pentagon officials said.

Shoygu met with defense and military leaders in Cuba, Venezuela, and Nicaragua and signed several agreements on warship visits and military training during the visit, which ran from Feb. 11 to 14. It is not clear whether any new arms deals were completed during the visit.

Defense officials said the Russian leader is seeking bases in the region for strategic bomber flights that Shoygu recently promised would include flights over the Gulf of Mexico and Caribbean.

http://freebeacon.com/national-security/russia-boosts-arms-training-for-leftist-latin-militaries/

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KGB/FSB Putin very much wants a 'unified Korea'...under communist NK rule

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Russia and North Korea declare 2015 a ‘year of friendship’

“The biggest cause for concern is the growing military alliance between Russia and North Korea, with the two regimes recently announcing plans to conduct a series of joint army, navy and air force exercises this year.”

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/northkorea/11463265/Russia-and-North-Korea-declare-2015-a-year-of-friendship.html

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Russia steps up North Korea support to constrain US

May 17, 2017

“Despite efforts by the United Nations to impose isolating sanctions on North Korea in response to the country’s continued development of nuclear weapons and intercontinental ballistic missiles, trade between Russia and North Korea soared more than 85 percent in the first four months of the year.”

http://www.dw.com/en/russia-steps-up-north-korea-support-to-constrain-us/a-38867861

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Sept 5, 2017

North Korea nuclear crisis: Putin calls sanctions useless

Russian President Vladimir Putin has said pursuing further sanctions against North Korea is “useless”, saying “they’d rather eat grass than give up their nuclear programme”.

The US said on Monday it would table a new UN resolution on tougher sanctions in the wake of the latest test of a nuclear bomb by the North on Sunday.

Mr Putin also said that the ramping up of “military hysteria” could lead to global catastrophe.

He said diplomacy was the only answer.

China, the North’s main ally, has also called for a return to negotiations. ...”

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-41158281

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From the Sino-Russian Joint Statement of April 23, 1997:
"The two sides [China and Russia] shall, in the spirit of partnership, strive to promote the multipolarization of the world and the establishment of a new international order."

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Central_Asia/HI29Ag01.html
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"Joint war games are a logical outcome of the Sino-Russian Friendship and Cooperation Treaty signed in 2001, and reflect the shared worldview and growing economic ties between the two Eastern Hemisphere giants."

http://www.heritage.org/research/commentary/2005/09/war-games-russia-china-grow-alliance

18 posted on 12/01/2017 7:07:51 PM PST by ETL (Obama-Hillary, REAL Russia collusion! Uranium-One Deal, Missile Defense, Nukes. See my FR page)
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To: GoldenState_Rose

>Putin talks up a good game when the West is weak. BUT does he ever acknowledge the role his beloved old USSR had in the rampant and insidious channels by which Soviet ideology infiltrated and *secularized* the WEST and moved some of our core institutions towards leftism and socialism? (And continues to!)

Every time I wonder if you know something of value, you open up proving that you know jack about American history. The American left pushed this country off a cliff while they supported the Communism at every turn. Russian Bolsheviks only succeed because progressives like Rockefeller funded them and American engineers built those factories that allowed the USSR to be an industrial power for so long. The American left has been the useful helpers of communism since the beginning.

>No, rather, he calls the fall of the Soviet Union the greatest geopolitical catastrophe of the past century.

The fall of the Russian empire was a disaster for Russia, but Putin’s made no moves towards rebuild communism. Instead, American universities trained our own kids to hate Christianity & capitalism while praising Socialism and Marxism. Whining about Putin rebuilding the church in order to strengthen the Russian people while ignoring the left utter destroying our own nation is nuts.

Here’s Putin on Lenin:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jan/25/vladmir-putin-accuses-lenin-of-placing-a-time-bomb-under-russia

>Vladimir Putin has denounced Lenin and his Bolshevik government for their brutal repressions and accused him of having placed a “time bomb” under the state.

>The criticism of Lenin, who is still revered by communists and many others in Russia, is unusual for the Russian president, who in the past carefully weighed his comments about the nation’s history to avoid alienating some voters. At the same time, he signalled that the government had no intention of taking Lenin’s body out of his Red Square tomb, warning against “any steps that would divide society”.
Russia’s GDP falls 3.7% as sanctions and low oil price take effect

>Putin’s assessment of Lenin’s role in Russian history during Monday’s meeting with pro-Kremlin activists in the southern city of Stavropol was markedly more negative than in the past. He denounced Lenin and his government for brutally executing Russia’s last tsar along with all his family and servants, killing thousands of priests and placing a time bomb under the Russian state by drawing administrative borders along ethnic lines.

>As an example of Lenin’s destructive legacy, Putin pointed to Donbass, the industrial region in eastern Ukraine where a pro-Russia separatist rebellion flared up weeks after Russia’s March 2014 annexation of Crimea. More than 9,000 people have been killed in the conflict since April 2014, and clashes have continued despite a February 2015 peace deal.

>He said Lenin’s government had whimsically drawn borders between parts of the USSR, placing Donbass under the Ukrainian jurisdiction in order to increase the percentage of proletariat in a move Putin called “delirious”.


>Russia has faithful Christians and priests/monastics among the population, but as a nation it will not be able to claim a leadership mantle so long as it harbors Putin’s government — which directly traces its roots to the Bolshevik terror, to Stalin, despite the collapse of the USSR.

Christianity’s natural function has been that of a state religion. There’s a reason that Jesus said that rulers are placed in charge of people by God’s will and why Christianity flourished for so long under first the Roman Emperors and then under the Kings and Dukes of Europe.

>And it’s not as though the tsars* were the much better, give or take a few.

The czars built Russia in the middle of a sea of wasteland and Mongols. They embraced Christainity when they might have embraced Islam. Russia has a brutal and bloody history, but given what they had to build their nation out of I wouldn’t knock them for it.

>The Russian Orthodox Church needs to forge an identity separate from the earthly whims of Empire.

That’s a direct contradiction of most of Christain history. When churches went rogue in Europe we ended with bloody Religous wars that wiped out whole regions. When we returned to the biblical practices of letting the state determine the religious structure Christianity spread to every corner of the globe.

>And the Russian State and PEOPLE need to completely divorce from the Bolshevik legacy through a process of repentance and genuine spiritual renewal.

Bolshevikism is dead everywhere but in the west where it’s finding a new birthright in our midst. You’re tilting at windmills while monsters walk among the America population. Antifa would gladly murder every last Christain.


31 posted on 12/07/2017 10:54:00 PM PST by JohnyBoy (The GOP Senate is intentionally trying to lose the majority.)
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