To: BroJoeK; rockrr; DoodleDawg; DiogenesLamp
“Insurrection: “The act or an instance of open revolt against civil authority or a constituted government.” “
Again, may we see your sources for the term “domestic insurrection.”
In your post #326 you were very specific: “”Domestic insurrections” refers to actual insurrections of British loyalists against local patriots in Virginia & elsewhere in the months before July, 1776.”
If you have actual sources for the term contemporaneous with 1776 I’d like to see and learn. If you don’t have sources, that’s fine. Just say, I don’t have any. There is no shame in saying you can’t find your sources.
To: jeffersondem
Again, may we see your sources for the term domestic insurrection. I really wouldn't bother. He will keep going in circles all the while claiming that you just don't understand the situation, and it isn't really what it says in plain English, it is something different which he will be happy to explain to you in very verbose communications that usually won't get near the salient point.
334 posted on
11/30/2017 6:24:27 AM PST by
DiogenesLamp
("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
To: jeffersondem; DiogenesLamp; DoodleDawg; rockrr
Here is a discussion of the term "domestic insurrection" which does not mention
any slave-revolt type events in 1776.
The 1807 US Insurrection Act mentions as if synonyms:
"insurrection, domestic violence, unlawful combination, or conspiracy"
So we see there how such words were used in those days.
My basic argument here is:
"Domestic insurrection" can refer to slave revolts, or any lawless violence as mentioned in the first link above, and would certainly include American loyalists battles against local patriot governments.
But it would not logically include the actions of servants or slaves in running away to join the British army.
Instead, using in Lord Dunmore's own words, when declaring:"all indentured servants, Negroes, or others...free that are able and willing to bear arms..."[6]
In Jefferson's words, Dunmore's
"to bear arms" became
"to rise in arms" the words used in Jefferson's famous deleted paragraph, whose chief point is to blame the King for imposing slavery on Americans.
Jefferson nowhere intends to imply that the US Revolution is for the purpose of
defending slavery, only to complain that Brits used slaves against patriots.
343 posted on
11/30/2017 8:45:14 AM PST by
BroJoeK
(a little historical perspective...)
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