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To: jeffersondem
Are you now sated having played the Nazi Card twice in this thread?

Not if it is needed again, no.

The Nazi’s went wrong in every way I know because they pursued socialist policies and many of their leaders dabbled in the occult. They were bad guys.

Socialist policies like utilizing slave labor? Like implementing confiscatory taxes? Like seizing a set percentage of all farm output without compensation "for the war effort"? Like requiring private ship owners to reserve a set percentage of their cargo capacity for the government without compensation "for the war effort"? Like government control of whole industries like salt? Like requiring citizens to get government permission to travel? Like establishing un-elected Habeas Corpus Commissions that had the power to jail people without trial? Those kind of socialist policies?

Southerners were mostly good guys.

Once you get past that whole rebellion thing I'm sure they were all sterling characters.

But they had this one little quirk.

Oh they were quirkier than that.

They believed: Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just Powers from the Consent of the governed, that whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these Ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such Principles, and organizing its Powers in such Form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

One quirk being that they thought their cause was on the same level as that of the Founding Fathers. It wasn't.

Don’t ask me where they got such a crazy idea.

It's a mystery to me too.

General Eisenhower knew about southerners. And he knew about Nazis. Unlike many today, he never confused the two.

He never missed the point as badly as you do. Over and over.

242 posted on 11/22/2017 3:53:29 AM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: DoodleDawg; jeffersondem
jeffersondem: "The Nazi’s went wrong in every way I know because they pursued socialist policies and many of their leaders dabbled in the occult.
They were bad guys."

DoodleDawg: "Socialist policies like utilizing slave labor?
Like implementing confiscatory taxes?
Like seizing a set percentage of all farm output without compensation..."

Well done.

267 posted on 11/23/2017 8:28:17 AM PST by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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To: DoodleDawg
“Not if it (Nazi Card) is needed again, no.”

I earlier saw your post promising more Nazi Card playing. Since your post didn't need an immediate response, and because of the cheerful holidays, I decided to set it aside.

The best thing I can think of is to refer you to a letter written by a man named Dwight D. Eisenhower. He is a man that lived many, many years ago.

Dwight D. Eisenhower was the 34th President of the United States. Before that, Dwight D. Eisenhower was an army general, in fact the Supreme Allied Commander of the Allied Expeditionary Force during WWII. This means he was kind-of an important person in the war against Germany.

General Eisenhower fought against Nazis. Real Nazis, not the invented Nazis we hear so much about today. And General Eisenhower fought Nazis during a time when fighting Nazis could cost you something.

As president, Mr. Eisenhower wrote to a Dr. Scott about his own views of the quintessential Southerner:

Dear Dr. Scott:
Respecting your August 1 inquiry calling attention to my often expressed admiration for General Robert E. Lee, I would say, first, that we need to understand that at the time of the War between the States the issue of secession had remained unresolved for more than 70 years. Men of probity, character, public standing and unquestioned loyalty, both North and South, had disagreed over this issue as a matter of principle from the day our Constitution was adopted.

General Robert E. Lee was, in my estimation, one of the supremely gifted men produced by our Nation. He believed unswervingly in the Constitutional validity of his cause which until 1865 was still an arguable question in America; he was a poised and inspiring leader, true to the high trust reposed in him by millions of his fellow citizens; he was thoughtful yet demanding of his officers and men, forbearing with captured enemies but ingenious, unrelenting and personally courageous in battle, and never disheartened by a reverse or obstacle. Through all his many trials, he remained selfless almost to a fault and unfailing in his faith in God. Taken altogether, he was noble as a leader and as a man, and unsullied as I read the pages of our history.

From deep conviction, I simply say this: a nation of men of Lee’s calibre would be unconquerable in spirit and soul. Indeed, to the degree that present-day American youth will strive to emulate his rare qualities, including his devotion to this land as revealed in his painstaking efforts to help heal the Nation’s wounds once the bitter struggle was over, we, in our own time of danger in a divided world, will be strengthened and our love of freedom sustained.

Such are the reasons that I proudly display the picture of this great American on my office wall.

Sincerely,

Dwight D. Eisenhower

I hope that you will keep in mind the views of General and President Eisenhower the next time you have the unfortunate idea of gratuitously playing the Nazi Card.

278 posted on 11/27/2017 4:39:13 PM PST by jeffersondem
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To: DoodleDawg

“Once you get past that whole rebellion thing I’m sure they (southerners) were all sterling characters.”

This must be your dog whistle to attack rebels George Washington and Thomas Jefferson. Southerners they were.


280 posted on 11/27/2017 6:26:27 PM PST by jeffersondem
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To: DoodleDawg

“Socialist policies like utilizing slave labor?”

I knew the topic of Lincoln using slave labor to help build the US Capitol would come up sooner or later but I didn’t realize you would be the one to bring it up.

Before you ask, yes, I denounce Lincoln’s use of slave labor in the strongest possible terms.


282 posted on 11/27/2017 6:54:37 PM PST by jeffersondem
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To: DoodleDawg
“Like establishing un-elected Habeas Corpus Commissions that had the power to jail people without trial?”

First rule of being a proponent of Lincoln's war: never bring up habeas corpus in a discuss of Lincoln's war.

283 posted on 11/27/2017 7:03:18 PM PST by jeffersondem
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