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To: BroJoeK
Nothing "anti-South" about it, but certainly Howe's song puts the lie to our pro-Confederates' claim that Civil War was "not about slavery".

The "song" does that? How does a song prove something?

"Maryland, my Maryland" says that Lincoln was a tyrant. Does that song prove he was a tyrant?

The Civil War was indirectly about slavery. Slaves produced the money that powered 3/4ths of the US Government at the time, including their subsidies paid to Northern "crony capitalist" businessmen who were getting government contracts to build stuff up there.

Slaves also produced the bulk of the trade with Europe, and so long as the New York/Washington cartel controlled that trade and got their vigorish out of it, they were content to keep slavery as a permanent institution, ala the Corwin Amendment.

The one thing the were not going to allow is for the South to trade directly with Europe, become more capitalized, and compete with their industries, as well as compete with them for the economies and political alliance of the western states.

Money and Power. It's always about money and power.

21 posted on 11/18/2017 4:18:41 PM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DiogenesLamp; central_va; rockrr; x; DoodleDawg; iowamark
BJK: "Nothing "anti-South" about it, but certainly Howe's song puts the lie to our pro-Confederates' claim that Civil War was "not about slavery"."

DiogenesLamp: "The "song" does that?
How does a song prove something? "

When you pro-Confederates pretend the Civil War "was not about slavery", by that you mean neither side fought to defend or defeat slavery, right?
This song puts the lie to your claims.

DiogenesLamp: " 'Maryland, my Maryland' says that Lincoln was a tyrant.
Does that song prove he was a tyrant?"

No, but it certainly does prove there were plenty of pro-Confederates in Maryland.

DiogenesLamp: "The Civil War was indirectly about slavery."

I've never seen a pro-Confederate acknowledge that before, but knowing DiogenesLamp it's only so you can add support to your own ludicrous historical theories, right?

DiogenesLamp: "Slaves produced the money that powered 3/4ths of the US Government at the time, including their subsidies paid to Northern 'crony capitalist' businessmen who were getting government contracts to build stuff up there."

And there it is: DiogenesLamp will quickly confess that slavery had "something" to do with Civil War, but only so he can linger the longer on his favorite misrepresentation of history: "Northeastern power brokers" (aka: "Northern 'crony capitalist' businessmen," aka: "New York/Washington cartel ") are to blame for every-every-every-thing, right?
Ignoring the fact that these globalist businesses were Democrats before 1861 and Democrats after 1865, DL wishes to claim such evil-doers were somehow the masters of Republicans like Abraham Lincoln.

DiogenesLamp: "The one thing the were not going to allow is for the South to trade directly with Europe, become more capitalized, and compete with their industries, as well as compete with them for the economies and political alliance of the western states.
Money and Power.
It's always about money and power."

Except that most Republicans in 1861 cared nothing about your Democrat "Northeastern bower brokers" and their erstwhile Southern Democrat Slave-Power allies.

What Republicans of the time did care about was the United States and slavery, as Howe's song amply demonstrates.

33 posted on 11/19/2017 5:17:58 AM PST by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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