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To: DiogenesLamp; jeffersondem
A Lot of Wealthy and powerful men stood to lose a great deal of current and future revenue if the South was allowed to trade directly with Europe outside of their control.

I never thought much about the true cause of the Civil War, but your argument makes a lot of sense to me.

And it shows the Deep State was already in high gear back in 1860.  And Abraham Lincoln was really a 19th century Mitch McConnell.

109 posted on 11/20/2017 11:55:56 AM PST by poconopundit (SHOE REPAIR SHOP: "We will heel you. We will save your sole. We will even dye for you")
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To: poconopundit
I never thought much about the true cause of the Civil War, but your argument makes a lot of sense to me.

It took me years of looking at this situation to realize this explanation makes a lot more sense than what I had been taught all my life. The Blockade, for example, never made sense to me because the vast bulk of the major battles were fought on land. Why is it the first thing Lincoln did?

Well it cut off the economics of the South and forced all trade traffic to go through Northern (mostly New York) ports.

And it shows the Deep State was already in high gear back in 1860. And Abraham Lincoln was really a 19th century Mitch McConnell.

I have only recently come to believe that the "deep state" "crony capitalist" system in control of Washington DC had it's origins in the runup to the Civil War. The Civil War was the first time it came together to project it's power, and it has been running Washington DC ever since.

There is a reason why the era subsequent to Lincoln was an era of the worst corruption the nation has ever seen. They got so accustomed to behind the scenes deals, and selling government influence that it became a routine for them, and they became more brazen and careless.

118 posted on 11/20/2017 1:07:21 PM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: poconopundit
And it shows the Deep State was already in high gear back in 1860. And Abraham Lincoln was really a 19th century Mitch McConnell.

I thought you might be interested in seeing this.

“We may congratulate ourselves that this cruel war is nearing its end. It has cost a vast amount of treasure and blood… It has indeed been a trying hour for the Republic; but I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country. As a result of the war, corporations have been enthroned and an era of corruption in high places will follow, and the money power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people until all wealth is aggregated in a few hands and the Republic is destroyed. I feel at this moment more anxiety for the safety of my country than ever before, even in the midst of war. God grant that my suspicions may prove groundless.” Abraham Lincoln, Nov. 21, 1864

148 posted on 11/20/2017 4:03:28 PM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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