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To: Doche2X2
I am a Catholic, former Baptist. I respect all those who accept Jesus as their savior, regardless of their uniforms. We, the different denominations, are not the enemy of each other. We know who the enemy is, and they aren’t fellow Christians. We can all hang together or be hung separately by the non-believers, Muslims,atheists, and the other usual suspects who are out to abolish us. Disagreements over theology are silly compared to the alternatives.

From one of your "saints,"

• St. Frances Xavier Cabrini: "Many Protestants have almost the same practices as we, only they do not submit to the Holy Father and attach themselves to the true Ark of Salvation. They do not want to become Catholics and unite themselves under the banner of truth wherein alone there is true salvation. Of what avail is it, children, if Protestants lead naturally pure, honest lives, yet lack the Holy Ghost? They may well say: 'We do no harm; we lead good lives'; but, if they do not enter the true fold of Christ, all their protestations are in vain." St. Frances Xavier Cabrini, "Travels", Chicago: 1944, pp. 84, 71.

From Scripture:

But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now. (Galatians 4:29)

Your intent is noble, but the means are erroneous. The NT church essentially began with disagreements over theology, in dissent from very conservative leaders who believed in God, and even had valid authority, who who presumed they were above Scriptural reproof and rejected the itinerant Preacher and His followers who opposed and corrected them thereby.

While not being Christ, our (as evangelical Christians) disagreement with Rome is basically the same, except her claim to supreme authority is bogus. Faced with a religious system which denies justification by imputed righteousness, but who

imagines the very act of sprinkling= baptism (properly administered) regenerates a person even without repentant faith which this requires and testifies to, (Acts 2:38; 8:36,37; 10:43-47; 15:7-9) which thereby makes them actually good enough to enter Heaven, but (since the sinful nature remains and manifest itself) after death usually requires the baptized to become actually good enough to be with God via purifying torments in RC "purgatory;"

And that this state of salvation is procured thru Catholic sacraments giving souls the grace they need to finally obtain this required practical perfection (which is what "by grace thru faith" means to them), especially the Eucharist,and (depending on what century you live in) normally requires submission to the pope, and damns souls who resist this command, and excludes Protestant churches from being worthy of that proper name;

And with traditional RCs promoting this system as being uniquely True, and attacking those who expose her fallacies, and would become as Muslim oppressors if given the power (which Rome was forced to relinquish);

Then manifest disagreements over theology are not silly but required, as they were in Scripture.

Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints. (Jude 3)

And the faith which was once delivered unto the saints shows that Catholic distinctives is not what is manifest in the inspired substantive record of the NT church .

78 posted on 11/15/2017 6:59:32 AM PST by daniel1212 (rust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + folllow Him)
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To: daniel1212
St. Frances Xavier Cabrini: "Many Protestants have almost the same practices as we, only they do not submit to the Holy Father and attach themselves to the true Ark of Salvation.

So; we have a choice.

Believe what Jesus is reported to have said in Scripture; or believe the above.


John 6:25-40

25 When they found him on the other side of the lake, they asked him, “Rabbi, when did you get here?”

26 Jesus answered, “Very truly I tell you, you are looking for me, not because you saw the signs I performed but because you ate the loaves and had your fill. 27 Do not work for food that spoils, but for food that endures to eternal life, which the Son of Man will give you. For on him God the Father has placed his seal of approval.”

28 Then they asked him, “What must we do to do the works God requires?”

29 Jesus answered, “The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent.”

30 So they asked him, “What sign then will you give that we may see it and believe you? What will you do? 31 Our ancestors ate the manna in the wilderness; as it is written: ‘He gave them bread from heaven to eat.’[c]

32 Jesus said to them, “Very truly I tell you, it is not Moses who has given you the bread from heaven, but it is my Father who gives you the true bread from heaven. 33 For the bread of God is the bread that comes down from heaven and gives life to the world.”

34 “Sir,” they said, “always give us this bread.”

35 Then Jesus declared, “I am the bread of life. Whoever comes to me will never go hungry, and whoever believes in me will never be thirsty. 36 But as I told you, you have seen me and still you do not believe. 37 All those the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never drive away. 38 For I have come down from heaven not to do my will but to do the will of him who sent me. 39 And this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all those he has given me, but raise them up at the last day. 40 For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day.”

91 posted on 11/15/2017 10:33:13 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: daniel1212
... the true Ark of Salvation.

 
The way it's written:
 
Galatians 4:4-5
But when the set time had fully come, God sent his Son, born of a woman, born under the law, to redeem those under the law, that we might receive adoption to sonship.
 
The way Rome teaches it:
 
Galatians 4:4-5
But when the set time had fully come, God sent his Son, born of a....
 
Co-Redemptrix, 
Ark of the Covenant,
Beloved daughter of the Father,
Cause of Our Joy,
Cause of our Salvation ,
Comfort of the Afflicted,
Destroyer of Heresy,
Ever-virgin ,
Favoured Daughter of the Father,
Gate of Heaven,
God-bearer,
Health of the Sick,
Help of Christians,
Holy Mary,
Holy Mother of God,
Holy Virgin of Virgins,
House of Gold,
Joy of the Just,
Majesty,
Mirror of Justice,
Morning Star,
Most Holy,
Mother Admirable,
Mother Inviolate,
Mother Most Amiable,
Mother Most Chaste,
Mother Most Pure,
Mother of Christ,
Mother of Divine Grace,
Mother of God,
Mother of Good Counsel,
Mother of Mercy,
Mother of Orphans,
Mother of Our Creator,
Mother of Our Redeemer,
Mother of Sorrows,
Mother of the Church,
Mother of the Poor,
Mother of the Word,
Mother of the Word Incarnate,
Mother Thrice Admirable,
Mother Undefiled,
Mystical Rose,
Nova Eva (the New Eve),
Our Lady of Compassion,
Our Lady of Confidence,
Our Lady of Victory,
Our Lady, Star of the Sea,
Our Mother of Perpetual Help,
Queen Assumed Into Heaven,
Queen Conceived Without Original Sin,
Queen of All Saints,
Queen of Angels,
Queen of Apostles,
Queen of Confessors,
Queen of Families,
Queen of Heaven,
Queen of Martyrs,
Queen of Patriarchs,
Queen of Peace,
Queen of Prophets,
Queen of the Most Holy Rosary,
Queen of Virgins,
Ravisher of Hearts,
Refuge of Sinners,
Seat of Wisdom,
She Who Shows the Way,
Singular Vessel of Devotion,
Spiritual Vessel,
Spouse of the Holy Spirit,
sovereign Mistress of the Angels, 
Tabernacle of the Lord,
Temple of the Holy Spirit,
Temple of the Most Holy Trinity,
Throne of Wisdom,
Tower of David,
Tower of Ivory,
Treasure House of God's Graces,
Untier of Knots,
Vessel of Honor,
Virgin God-bearer,
Virgin Most Faithful,
Virgin Most Merciful,
Virgin Most Powerful,
Virgin Most Prudent,
Virgin Most Renowned,
Virgin Most Venerable
Virgin of virgins,                           born under the law, to HELP redeem those under the law, that we might receive adoption to sonship; sooner or later; and not spend TOO much time in Purgatory.
 


92 posted on 11/15/2017 10:36:18 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: daniel1212
To be honest, I can't say that having a Pope of Rome has done much to eliminate confusion and disagreements over doctrine among today's Catholics. Many Catholics even reject their own Pope today so tell me how he is supposed to be the Vicar of Christ, maintain "infallibility" and require ALL to be under submission to him when he is rejected by a sizable portion of Catholics?

How many times have "Protestants" been accused of being our own Pope and how detrimental NOT having a central authority to determine what we must all accept is? No, the truth is unchanging and God's divinely-inspired word is given to us so that we have a "more sure word of prophecy" and a written record of what we need to know and believe. What's funny (almost) is we mostly believe the SAME things as Catholics and the Orthodox do about the major tenets of the faith and we have been able to do that without a central authority figure. The Holy Spirit - our Comforter and Teacher - isn't the sole property of Catholics.

116 posted on 11/15/2017 10:33:22 PM PST by boatbums (The Law is a storm which wrecks your hopes of self-salvation, but washes you upon the Rock of Ages.)
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