Posted on 11/14/2017 2:24:54 PM PST by nickcarraway
Robert Jeffress spent Wednesday with Donald Trump, supporting the president during his fundraising visit to the Belo Mansion in downtown Dallas. On Thursday, the First Baptist Dallas pastor and Trump's biggest evangelical supporter had to do something a lot less fun take to the Fox News airwaves to defend himself from charges that he is anti-Catholic.
Word of Jeffress' potentially anti-Catholic views bubbled to the surface this week when a reporter asked White House Press Secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders about her boss's continued praise for the Dallas demagogue, given Jeffress' controversial statements about the Catholic church. Sanders said that she wasn't "aware of Robert Jeffress being anti-Catholic" and that she knew that he worked with Texas Catholics on events like the anti-abortion rights demonstration March for Life.
On Fox News, Jeffress repeated Sanders' line, confirming that he works with Catholics against abortion, and said that the characterization of his thoughts about Catholicism was inaccurate.
"What they did was they went back and recycled old quotes from years ago that were either completely manufactured at the time or ripped out of context," Jeffress said.
The Observer believes that Jeffress deserves a fair hearing about whether he was taken out of context, so we've taken the liberty of transcribing, in their entirety, Jeffress' comments about Catholicism and the Roman Catholic Church from a 2010 segment on his radio show Pathway to Victory.
"This is the Babylonian mystery religion that spread like a cult throughout the entire world. The high priests of that fake religion, that false religion, the high priests of that religion would wear crowns that resemble the heads of fish, that was in order to worship the fish god Dagon, and on those crowns were written the words, Keeper of the Bridge, the bridge between Satan and man.
"That phrase, Keeper of the Bridge the Roman equivalent of it is Pontifex Maximus. It was a title that was first carried by the Caesars and then the emperors and finally by the Bishop of the Rome, Pontifex Maximus, the Keeper of the Bridge.
"You can see where were going with this. It is that Babylonian mystery religion that infected the early church. One of the churches it infected was the church of Pergamos, which is one of the recipients of the Book of Revelation. And the early church was corrupted by this Babylonian mystery religion, and today the Roman Catholic Church is the result of that corruption.
"Much of what you see in the Catholic Church today doesnt come from Gods word; it comes from that cultlike, pagan religion. Now you say, Pastor, how can you say such a thing? That is such an indictment of the Catholic Church. After all, the Catholic Church talks about God and the Bible and Jesus and the blood of Christ and salvation.
"Isnt that the genius of Satan? If you want to counterfeit a dollar bill, you dont do it with purple paper and red ink. Youre not going to fool anybody with that. But if you want to counterfeit money, what you do is make it look closely related to the real thing as possible.
"And thats what Satan does with counterfeit religion. He uses, he steals, he appropriates all of the symbols of true biblical Christianity, and he changes it just enough in order to cause people to miss eternal life."
Basically, Jeffress believes that Catholicism is a counterfeit of genuine Christianity, descended from a Babylonian fish-worshiping cult. Its resemblance to the real article shows Satan's genius, Jeffress says. Not exactly a ringing endorsement of the faith practiced by 70 million Americans.
With all due respect, that must be due to ignorance.
In just the space of 3 years RCs were posting such open threads as:
Protecting God's Word From Bible Christians - Free Republic Book Review: The Protestants Dilemma: A Review (Part One, Two, and Three): The Papacy
There Is No Salvation Outside The Catholic Church (Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus)
Divinum Officium: Whoever does not embrace the Catholic Christian religion will be damned
Why Catholicism Is Preferable to Protestantism
The Protestants Dilemma: A Review
Protecting Gods Word From Bible Christians
Why do Protestant lay people hate clergy?
Protestants: Its time to come back
From Fundamentalist Baptist to Catholic
EWTN - The Journey Home - November 10, 2014 - Dale Ahlquist, convert from being a Baptist
The Trouble With Calvin Pt. 1
Why would anyone become Catholic?
In Defense of the Immaculate Conception: Part 2
The Nature of the Mass and the need for Sacrifice
The Hail Mary of a Protestant
500 Years of Chaos: Protestantisms Anniversary
And we have seen such things from Catholics as thanking God the Spanish Inquisition was up to the task,
that Protestantism is belief in ones self, and absolutely alien to Christianity, and that,
Protestants are mostly biblically illiterate,
intellectually dishonest,
evil fruit, who don't have the Holy Spirit, and
are not part of the Body of Christ, and
who have no foundation for their understanding of Christianity, and
will not be saved unless they become Catholic, and
who are by nature vandals who should be eradicated from the face of the earth, etc. But that Catholics never put down or challenge beliefs from protestants, and that,
there never has been a bit of anti-protestant bigotry on FR, .
Which itself is enough to earn one the title of "anti-Catholic." Seeing as Catholic distinctives are manifestly absent from the inspired record of what the NT church believed (just where is the practice of praying to created being in Heaven, etc.?) , and too contrary to it, then the Holy Spirit can be saic to be "anti-Catholic."
You left off: The de-horning and tail docking of Evangelical Christians
Stop kidding yourself. You are repeating another false doctrine.
God hates both Sin and sinners. He sends both the author of it (Satan the Devil), his fallen angels, and all of Sin's practitioners first to Hell, and finally to the Lake of Fire. God's Bible says so.
Doubtless fewer humans are true Christ-followers than one thinks.
Matthew 5:
43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven; for He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46 For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have? Do not even the tax collectors do the same? 47 If you greet only your brothers, what more are you doing than others? Do not even the Gentiles do the same? 48 Therefore you are to be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.
Any group whining and playing crybaby victims considering the war were in for the survival of America and western civilization is not worth much to me
And only place I see Catholics crying is here
That said
Catholic theology by the extension of its militarized adherents saved said western civilization from a number of invaders most notably Islam
So hat tip Rome
And modern Catholics had zip to do with it..
And catholic clergy preserved written history as well pre Gutenberg
Hat tip plus two
Catholics today are like Jews to me as an observer
It’s important to them that they are born into the tradition of generations especially potato people but they are not very religious anymore
It’s a fraternity
I wish they were as religious as Catholics as southern baptists or Pentecostals are
We’d be much bette off as a nation
Another observation
The worst catholic bashers here are ex Catholics not original Protestant
For the record I’m a godfather .....
I do not like the fighting Irish....
You must be new to the Religion board on FR....and have not read any history.
Which is simply absurd. When a church claims to uniquely be the one true church,
and that all Prot churches are not even worthy of the proper title "church" (thus they are referred to as "ecclesiastical communities),
and excludes from salvation (if subject to interpretation) all those who knowingly (at least) reject submission to the pope,
and its most committed members typically promote and defend their church with cultic devotion, and attack and denigrate evangelicals who dare oppose their hubris and propaganda,
Then you have a Catholic Church is attacking us. And we give it back , by the grace of God.
I assure you that if a evangelical posted that then they would likely face outrage by certain devout RCs since it disturbs their cherish fantasy of their5 church-god.
But Luther certainly needed reformation himself, though the reformation the recalcitrance of Rome required was indeed needed, and which must yet continue.
3. I love the Catholic Church and always have - but that doesn't give me any position to try to tear down another's approach to faith and his/her connection to Our Savior.
Then (as traditional RCs charge) the Catholic Church you love is at variance with its past history, which,
Pope Eugene IV and the Council of Florence: "The sacrosanct Roman Church...firmly believes, professes, and proclaims that..not only pagans, but also Jews and heretics and schismatics cannot become participants in eternal life but will depart into everlasting fire...unless before the end of life the same have been added to the flock; and that..no one, whatever almsgiving he has practiced, even if he has shed blood for the name of Christ, can be saved, unless he has remained in the bosom and unity of the Catholic Church. Pope Eugene IV and the Council of Florence (Seventeenth Ecumenical Council), Cantate Domino, Bull promulgated on February 4, 1441 (Florentine style), [considered infallible by some]
Which as a claim includes everything from Mormons, to (so-called ) "Jehovah Witness" to "Christian Scientist disciples and those of Santeria and more
If you draw a line you are already being divisive. If your grown children were converting to such as the above how would you feel.
It's hard to say that Catholics on this site are being attacked when just about 9 out of 10 posts on this site are Catholic articles.
Pfft! Old news!!!
"One indeed is the universal Church of the faithful, outside which no one at all is saved, in which the priest himself is the sacrifice, Jesus Christ, whose body and blood are truly contained in the sacrament of the altar under the species of bread and wine; the bread (changed) into His body by the divine power of transubstantiation, and the wine into the blood, so that to accomplish the mystery of unity we ourselves receive from His (nature) what He Himself received from ours."
--Pope Innocent III and Lateran Council IV (A.D. 1215)
Guess what MormonISM teaches about Catholics AND Protestants...
As a Proteastant, Id never say that Catholics are out drinkin and whorin on Saturday nite and confessin' in the box on Sunday morning!
Apparently Jeffress didn't get the memo.
I just HATE it when Catholic bashing gets exposed!
You need to get a new hearing-ear dog!
Could you define what 'honest' means to you?
No.
We take tea daily and sip it while praising one another about the uniqueness of various faiths: all of which lead to GOD.
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