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Woman says DTE shut off power because she won't get smart meter
Fox2Detroit ^ | 10/30/2017 | Ingrid Kelley

Posted on 10/31/2017 4:28:22 AM PDT by simpson96

FERNDALE, Mich. (WJBK) - A Ferndale woman says DTE Energy shut off her electricity, even though her bills were paid in full.

The problem she says, is that she didn't want the utility to install a smart meter at her home.

"Basically you are being blackmailed," said Kay Watson. "(They are saying) you either take it or we cut power."

Kay Watson is outraged, she says she paid her bill, but DTE disconnected her service on Sunday over her refusal to get a smart meter.

"The guy was here at the door telling me they're going to put in a smart meter and I said no," she said. "He said you're refusing? And I said yeah, so he said we're cutting your power."(snip)

DTE says it contacts customers on several occasions before it takes action. But Watson considers the action a violation

"I consider it a threat to all of our freedoms," she said.

The utility company says it has has installed more than three million smart meters since 2008 and plans to install the remaining electric smart meters this year.

DTE says Watson called Monday asking for a smart meter in order to get her power turned back on.

But Watson says she never requested that and only wants the "opt out." A program which allows a few customers who have concerns to have a smart meter installed with a digital signal turned off.

DTE says at 4 p.m. Monday afternoon a crew went out to Watson's home and provided her with the opt-out option, and her power has since been restored.

DTE says customers who choose to opt out will be charged a one time fee and $9.80 per month for meter readings and related services.

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To: MarMema

“DTE is not the bad guy of the world. Why do people fear smart meters?”

Because it’s the evil brain that ties everything electronic together in your house. Your computer, smartphone, smart tv, refrigerator, can opener, your electric toothbrush, all those LED light bulbs with the funny plastic bases, the smoke/CO detectors, and the scariest of all...the electric carving knife.

When Skynet is activated...you won’t be poo-pooing people’s fear of smart meters then.


41 posted on 10/31/2017 6:47:36 AM PDT by moovova
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To: ncalburt

>The power company or the Dem or Big Brother hacks can run and rule over your life .

Simple, get a generator and live behind a wall. Even better, drill for and refine your own oil! The possibilities are endless.


42 posted on 10/31/2017 6:48:33 AM PDT by glorgau
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To: Timmy

I think you better fear technology because it is a threat to privacy and our freedom. Technology is just another way for the liberals to run your life. Soon, to save us from Climate Change, you will have to wash your dishes and clothes in the middle of the night. This can be easily monitored through the smart meter. Maybe they can connect your meter to Facebook so everyone can tell the world when they are doing a wash. Next, they will have smart water meters that will be able to tell when you are taking a dump.


43 posted on 10/31/2017 6:53:59 AM PDT by cp124 (Elections are for the serfs to think their opinion matters. It doesn't.)
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To: Buckeye McFrog
Listen, if someone wanted to snoop on you by your power usage, there are much more sophisticated ways of doing it these days. For instance, a startup of which I'm familiar - I've chatted with some of the engineers building the data analysis portion of it - it's pretty much run of the mill big data analysis stuff.

Sense - Track energy use in real time at the sub-second level.

This is independent of any utility and in the future I'd bet that the analysis can be done downstream and not have to be installed into a homes' electrical panel. Privacy is over, get over it.

44 posted on 10/31/2017 6:57:50 AM PDT by glorgau
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To: MarMema

Why do people fear smart meters?

For the same reason the People fear the government knowing about their activities. It is an invasion of privacy.


45 posted on 10/31/2017 7:10:33 AM PDT by taxcontrol (Stupid should hurt)
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To: cp124

If the government is able to tell you when to do your dishes or laundry, the danger isn’t your smart meter.


46 posted on 10/31/2017 7:28:19 AM PDT by Timmy
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To: Haiku Guy

You may decline the service. Utilities are privately owned businesses. You do not have to purchase their product.


47 posted on 10/31/2017 7:34:47 AM PDT by Timmy
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To: from occupied ga
Well I see you're changing the subject away from non-existent agreements to a new straw man. It is neither a good nor a bad thing. It is simply the nature of reality. Do you think that the customer should be able to set the terms of an agreement with the utility? I'm sure the BLM crew would set the terms so that they got power for free because they's owed. If she doesn't like that deal she can pay the opt out charge. Frankly I don't care what sort of meter I have. There are thousands of things in life more worthy of attention than that. Some old crackpot worrying about a smart meter is sort of on the fringe of nutty.

If she wants to worry about something let her worry about the fact that your smart phone can tell Verizon or T-mo or AT&T where you are every day. Or better still let her worry about the "mind control rays" that the cable company uses from their set top boxes, after all that's the next step on the ladder from eccentric to neurotic to psychotic

I am not changing arguments. My argument, all along, is that the utility dictates, much like Darth Vader, and the ratepayer has to take it, no matter what the utility decides to do.

To my mind, it would be better if the utility were to negotiate with the ratepayer. If the utility is going to realize savings, they ratepayer should get a piece of that. If the utility is strongly motivated, why shouldn't the ratepayer be compensated for accepting the new arrangement?

Note that I can make such an argument without being gratuitously insulting. I don't have to call anybody a crackpot or fringe nutty. I don't have to posit that anybody is neurotic or psychotic, or that think they are being zapped by mind control rays.

If you are going to post that I am engaging in specious arguments, you probably shouldn't lead with "Whoever disagrees with me must be insane".

48 posted on 10/31/2017 7:34:49 AM PDT by Haiku Guy (eliminate perverse incentives)
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To: simpson96

She may not like smart meters but that’s what the company requires to use their service. If she refuses, then they have the right to flip the switch on her. She has other options such as using a generator or solar panels or a wind turbine. Each of those has pros and cons just like the electric company has pros and cons.


49 posted on 10/31/2017 7:36:01 AM PDT by bgill (CDC site, "We don't know how people are infected with Ebola.")
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To: Timmy
You may decline the service. Utilities are privately owned businesses. You do not have to purchase their product.

And there you have it.

Boot/Neck. Some assembly required.

50 posted on 10/31/2017 7:39:00 AM PDT by Haiku Guy (eliminate perverse incentives)
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To: MarMema

Do you want someone knowing when you’re up doing household chores or when you’re asleep or knows when you’re on vacation and can break into your house because they know exactly how much electricity you’re using or not using every second of the day?


51 posted on 10/31/2017 7:39:28 AM PDT by bgill (CDC site, "We don't know how people are infected with Ebola.")
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To: Haiku Guy
Whoever disagrees with me must be insane".

Please show me where I said that.

52 posted on 10/31/2017 7:42:32 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: Haiku Guy
Oh and BTW if you're a large enough consumer you can negotiate just about everything. Typically entities like malls and industrial plants have no set agreement - everything is on the table from rates to guaranteed consumption to equipment maintenance, etc. For example a mall may own it's main distribution yard or not depending on what's cheaper. However, you'd better get it all in an iron clad contract before you build your plant/mall, etc. Smaller commercial consumers don't have all that much leeway. Typically their rates are worse than consumer rates because of things like demand charges.

Power companies are like any other corporate entity. They're in the business of making a profit, and if newer technology helps them do that then they'll use it.

and the ratepayer has to take it, no matter what the utility decides to do.

This is also a false statement. Every utility has to answer to a public service commission which typically are the entities that set the rates - not the company as such, although they will present their case for rate hikes based on expenses etc.

53 posted on 10/31/2017 7:55:24 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: from occupied ga
Please show me where I said that.

Here, let me bold it for you.

Well I see you're changing the subject away from non-existent agreements to a new straw man. It is neither a good nor a bad thing. It is simply the nature of reality. Do you think that the customer should be able to set the terms of an agreement with the utility? I'm sure the BLM crew would set the terms so that they got power for free because they's owed. If she doesn't like that deal she can pay the opt out charge. Frankly I don't care what sort of meter I have. There are thousands of things in life more worthy of attention than that. Some old crackpot worrying about a smart meter is sort of on the fringe of nutty.

If she wants to worry about something let her worry about the fact that your smart phone can tell Verizon or T-mo or AT&T where you are every day. Or better still let her worry about the "mind control rays" that the cable company uses from their set top boxes, after all that's the next step on the ladder from eccentric to neurotic to psychotic

54 posted on 10/31/2017 7:55:31 AM PDT by Haiku Guy (eliminate perverse incentives)
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To: from occupied ga; Haiku Guy
This leads to Britain's way of life. Auguring for the utility company and their rules does over step privacy. My Pen-Pal in England tells me she is watched on how much electric,water and oil she uses. Big Brother dictates her usage. This is exactly how it starts. Well no, it stated with a new thermostat if she updated her furnace. The new thermostat encourages being on a schedule to lower your heat when your sleep or when you working. I had to get help by freepers here to tell me how to set my thermostat last month without being on a schedule. I'm retired and here most of the time like millions of other Baby Boomers.

I'd be willing to stick my neck out and say ..this woman like several other people and family members...they only have landlines thinking its more private.


55 posted on 10/31/2017 7:58:39 AM PDT by STARLIT (Draining the Swamp includes Cleaning out the Sewer Rats.)
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To: from occupied ga
Allow me to amend my statement:

...and the ratepayer has to take it, no matter what the utility decides to do, after it has been rubber-stamped by the worthless Public Service Commission.

56 posted on 10/31/2017 8:01:55 AM PDT by Haiku Guy (eliminate perverse incentives)
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To: simpson96
DTE says customers who choose to opt out will be charged a one time fee and $9.80 per month...

Uhhh...

57 posted on 10/31/2017 8:05:35 AM PDT by Albion Wilde (I was not elected to continue a failed system. I was elected to change it. --Donald J. Trump)
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To: Haiku Guy
I was referring to the old woman who in my opinion is eccentric at the very least, people like this remind me of Ned Ludd or the current people want to ban automobiles and other items of modern technology. I wonder if she has a car or she drives a horse and buggy. I suspect that she doesn't have a horse.

We live in an increasingly technological age and those who won't adapt to the basics of it will pay the price either in dollars or inconvenience. If you feel that shoe fits you may wear it.

58 posted on 10/31/2017 8:05:41 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: from occupied ga

I get it:

The utility demands.

We knuckle under to the utility’s demands.

Duly noted.


59 posted on 10/31/2017 8:09:31 AM PDT by Haiku Guy (eliminate perverse incentives)
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To: from occupied ga

And when they do alter the deal further, what then?

They are installing the infrastructure necessary to instantaneously control usage.

Do you suppose the control enthusiasts in our society will never flip that switch?


60 posted on 10/31/2017 8:14:58 AM PDT by Haiku Guy (eliminate perverse incentives)
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