The public school system of today, is nothing BUT the largest communist indoctrination center and BABY SITTING establishment that we have.
Teachers today, in general, don't teach !
They BRAINWASH students !
This is a better video version.
Posted on 10/20/2017 2:25:50 AM PDT by knarf
I discovered four years ago our local public high school does not demand The Pledge of Allegiance to The Flag as part of the morning ritual.
I voiced my concern then but forget what the reply was and I went on about my business attempting to drain the swamp. (modern term stolen for a years' old practice).
At last night's school board meeting, I again raised the concern and the solicitor looked at me like he was SO frustrated with my stupid questions and told me in a very unpleasant voice that "This has been litigated for years and the Supreme Court and the ACLU and the blah, blah blah ...... "
And he pretty effectively shut off any discussion.
So I went home and researched the matter and found;
The Pledge of Allegiance was challenged and adjudicated way back in the nineteen forties and intermittently since then.
THE PUBLIC SCHOOL SYSTEM IS INDEED A SOCIALIST INDOCTRINATION FACILITY.
I'm 69 years old and I have NEVER in my life known that the pledge had been questioned and taken to court.
Perhaps now we see the effects of that socialist training emerging through the grown up students OF that school system ..... the NFL players.
It might not be their fault they are disrespectful to the one public display of national affection allowed, but it is their responsibility (as is ours), to learn of the reason we show respect for our nation.
I can remember way back to the first grade (Miss Morgan), and saying the Pledge, singing "My Country 'Tis Of Thee and Miss Morgan reading from a black covered bible at the beginning of every day.
I was born in 1948 so this would have been in 1953 or there-abouts.
I remember the Pledge all through my school years until 1965 when I enlisted in the Army.
I have never in my life ( even during my post military, quasi radically political daze (no typo) of the late sixties and beyond), heard a whisper about the pledge having been tried and adjudicated before I was even born.
I offer this thread as a way to discuss this situation and perhaps bring us all to a better understanding of our nation.
I am in no way some anarchist type, but I woke up this morning feeling very depressed which is uncharacteristic of me, and I realized that solicitor at last night's school board meeting had given me a punch that left a bruise.
Nor should they. I know some here will disagree with me, but I do not see how the government can force the recitation of a pledge or the singing of a song on a free people. I would note that is IMO, different from taking an oath; an oath of office, of citizenship, a military oath, as except under a military draft (conscription if you will), those are entered into voluntarily.
https://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/whats-conservative-about-pledge-allegiance
I'm 69 years old and I have NEVER in my life known that the pledge had been questioned and taken to court.
No offence but perhaps you might have researched that beforehand, especially as a school board member.
Objections to the Pledge of Allegiance and resulting court cases including all the way to the USSC, go back to the first case in 1940 involving Jehovah's Witnesses, which the Witnesses lost but then was overturned in West Virginia State Board of Education v. Barnette in 1943.
Since then there have been numerous law suits resulting from the addition in 1954 of the words “Under God”.
With all that being said, and the rather disturbing and socialist and statist origins of the Pledge of Allegiance, as I love my country, I still stand, place my hand over my heart and recite (although I do not say the words “Under God”) and I stand and sing the National Anthem.
However, if the day ever comes when the government (and government is the key word here) would enact legal penalties - fines or imprisonment for me not doing so, that is the day I become a conscientious objector.
Tell us more stories about your school board in other threads.
We need to hear more about what is happening in the belly of the leftist beast.
There IS a comment of mine on the Charlie Daniels thread this morning and it says essentially the same thing.
But YOU should run for the school board.
IF real Americans would get on the school board, some changes might happen, but I am now convinced, the only way for the socialist indoctrination system to survive is for "them" to make SPEDS (special education kids) out of as many as they can via vaccinations (another argument for another thread) and perceived growth failures (lisps, slow talkers, quiet kids, etc.) and they are deemed "gifted" and put into SPED classes.
SPEDs get more government (state and Fed) money than normal kids in the socialist indoctrination system.
More and more people are waking up to the problems in the "public school" and opting out .... which takes money away from the school and they ....... don't ....... like ....... it !
I remember starting off every school day by reciting, “I pledge of legions to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for witches stands, one nation, under God, invisible, with liberty and justice for all.”
Then, in Girl Scouts, we had a lesson on the Pledge of Allegiance, which not only taught the correct words, but discussed the meaning. I remember being confused, because the pledge was not about legions in an invisible nation at all.
The real problem is not whether or not the school leads the pledge, but that children are not taught the history. Instead, they are taught some horror story in place of history, with the implication often reinforced that the founding of this country was so horrific and evil that the country should be eradicated and the ground salted where it used to exist.
If the left were consistent, they would advocate for the destruction of every country, because there is no country on earth that has a perfect past. But they are not consistent—and, in fact, seem to embrace countries which routinely practice brutality far exceeding anything we have ever done as a country.
I do appreciate your reply, but doing as you suggested is like wondering if I'm adopted.
It's just never been a situation, let alone a question.
God's name is Andy ...... Andy walks with me Andy talks with me ....
(very old joke)
And I agree with your assessment of the lack of historical education.
That too has been an argument I got into about two years ago when requesting we consider a specific political indoctrination for our seniors (about ready to step into adulthood) regarding political affiliation.
I proposed a class in the last semester that targetted Republican, Democrat, Socialist, Anarchist, (etc,) for the specific purpose of giving a new adult a flavor and hopefully desire to be politically involved and WANT to vote ...... and to determine for themselves just what DO the think and believe in the political spectrum.
I was politely laughed down citing Supreme Court this and Supreme Court that (which apparently there ARE Supreme Court this and Supreme Court that) and my request went nowhere.
As of now, my local red neck high school graduates approx 200 socialists (by indoctrination and lack of anything else)
Still fighting the fight, but I had the wind knocked out of me last night.
Keep up the good fight.
I'm thinking that the pendulum is starting to swing away from the non-stop socialism we've had thrust upon us since the 1960s (or maybe earlier). Just showing the socialists that their view (reinforced by the media) is not universal or even majority is a big step in the right direction.
School boards around here are full of leftist kooks.
We don’t have kids but if we did we would home-school them—had decided that the day we got married.
Imho sending kids to public schools is child abuse.
State **compulsion** means threat of armed police and court action if the citizen is sufficiently resistant.
Government schooling is a **compulsory** attendance and **compulsory** funded socialist-entitlement. Children in these indoctrination centers are at risk of learning to be comfortable with socialism. Gee! If the voting mob can give them tuition-free schooling, why not use that same voting mob to get **lots** of “free” stuff?
Government schooling also trains the children to be comfortable with state **compulsion**. If and when true tyranny comes to our nation, the fascists will NOT use cattle cars. They will use big yellow school buses and the steeple will compliantly board them just as their government teachers trained them to do.
Remember: It only took one to three generations of socialist and **compulsory** schooling to give the nation two Roosevelts and Wilson!
By the way, homeschooling is expensive because it most often means that one parent is not working outside the home.
The kind of short comment I print out and study to acquire verbiage to use as my own.
Many immigrants know how precious it is to live in America because they can compare this to where they were born. Too many Americans are spoiled, ungrateful and have never given a thought to how fortunate they are to live in America and live at a good standard of living. These are the people who do not stand for The National Anthem and The Pledge of Allegiance.
Too many blacks are sullen and ignorant like this but people of all races can be guilty of lack of respect.
When I was little everyone stood and showed respect ....Even if they did not want to because there was group pressure.
You know how much Roger Goodell makes? 26 million per year. He is the son of liberal Senator Goodell from New York.
Thank you.
Why, because ignorance is bliss? JK. Well sort of.
I think your heart is in the right place but this has been litigated all the way to the USSC and for many years, and not exactly unknown to most, and any public school that tries to force all students to stand and recite the pledge is going to be, like it or not, dragged into court. And you as a school board member, whether you agree or not, you should make it your business to be informed, to “do your homework” as it were.
If you were to approach the school board with a proposal that would as I am guessing, compel each and every student to both stand and recite the Pledge Of Allegiance, I would think you would also have researched the court cases and have come up with a way to keep your school district out of court and costing your tax payers much in the way of defending lawsuits you are unlikely to win.
But as I mentioned in my former post, I find it somewhat ironic that some here accuse those not saying The Pledge of being socialists or that not requiring students to recite as of being part of “socialist government indoctrination”, however when you read up on the history of the Pledge Of Allegiance, many would be surprised to learn of its and its original writer Francis Bellamy’s, an early social justice warrior, socialist history.
Francis Bellamy was a minister who was thrown out of his Baptist post because of sermons describing Jesus as a socialist. He and his novelist cousin Edward Bellamy* both saw a future for the United States as a country in which the government controlled virtually every aspect of a person's life.
Francis Bellamy (who also wrote for a magazine underwritten by flag sales and therefore stood to gain by having schools require a flag salute each day) and his friends got President Benjamin Harrison to incorporate Bellamy's pledge into the 400th anniversary celebration of Columbus' arrival in the New World. It has been recited in public schools ever since.
In 1954, amid anti-communist fervor, President Eisenhower and Congress added "under God" at the behest of a Presbyterian minister, George MacPherson Docherty. The Scottish immigrant became better known as a civil rights activist in later years, working with Martin Luther King Jr.
* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Bellamy
if my paranoid friends are anywhere near correct, the inoculations just may BE causing autism and other mental/psychological problems…..the only way for the socialist indoctrination system to survive is for "them" to make SPEDS (special education kids) out of as many as they can via vaccinations
And you are a school board member? Gadz. Between the actual socialists, social justice warriors and America haters on one side and the ignorance you spew on the other, I do not doubt why our public schools are in such trouble.
What meaning do mandatory pledges have?
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