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To: Spktyr
I keep my vehicles on average 15 years, pickups 20. An auto trans is a ticking $4,000 repair time bomb. That is my experience anyway.

Today you are buying a vehicle wrapped around an expansive transmission. After 10 years if the tranny fails you HAVE TO THROW THE WHOLE VEHICLE AWAY even if the rest of the vehicle is still pristine. Conversely, there is no real end of service with a manual. I've had them last forever basically.

I don't believe in throw away vehicles. I've been burned to many many times by blown up auto transmissions. I've given perfectly good cars to charity because the auto trans died. I had maintained the car to perfection but it was to no avail. It's a racket.

131 posted on 10/12/2017 10:20:13 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va

Even 20 years ago, sometimes you had to throw the truck away when the transmission failed. The C6 and TH400 weren’t the cheapest transmissions to rebuild.

On the other hand, your assertion that if the ‘expensive transmission fails you have to throw the entire truck away’ doesn’t hold water any more or less than it did 20 years ago. 2006 and 2007 trucks that have their transmissions fail today will have their transmissions repaired. The 6 speed TorqShifts from Ford are getting rebuilt and are definitely not throwaway. The same goes for GM and Dodge. However, the manuals they put in those trucks did need rebuilds, sometimes sooner than the automatics. And the history of truck manuals from the 80s forward wasn’t the best either. Look at what happened with the Ford M5OD and M5OD-HD. If you’re into Jeeps, look at the craptacular manual offerings they had: http://www.fourwheeler.com/how-to/1311-manual-meltdowns-jeep-transmissions-we-love-to-hate/

Manual does *not* mean “will last forever’ and there’s lots of people who can present evidence to the contrary of your assertion.


132 posted on 10/12/2017 10:28:40 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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