Posted on 10/02/2017 11:32:50 PM PDT by Djl3668
Very simple: “How did this shooter get to spend over 1 hour shooting at ducks in a pond while nobody was prepared to take him down!”
That is the real question! The Hotels were more scared of lawsuits than having their top paying “rollers” he hustled out of their cocaine beds while people died.
So much very wrong here. So disgraced to see the police patting their backs, along with politicians and firemen letting their guard down on a Sunday night!
79 minutes of terror and the only reason I’m writing here is because I thought the SWAT Team made it in less tha 20 minutes.
Horrible. The poor people there were living Dien Bien Phu!
“Police have to get to the scene?”
Have you ever been to the Strip? There are Police everywhere.
79 minutes?
He was only active for 10 minutes.
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So,in ten minutes of time, he killed 59 people and wounded over 500. That adds up to +559 bullets assuming one per individual killed/wounded which means one person per second was going down. I am not a gun expert so will someone with gunfire knowledge explain if that is possible.
I am thinking that not every fired bullet struck a person, so in then minutes how many shots did he get off? 600, 700,800, ???. With all the camera recordings with audio of the shots being fired, it seems that the total number of shots fired into the crowd could be counted. Is the sheriff or the FBI going to do this?
As said I am not an expert in these matters, but for one man using one weapon at a time, how could this rate of gunfire be sustained by this one man? The TV video I have seen and heard shows lapses in the firing, “to reload” that also needs to be accounted for. Did he have all his weapons (23?) loaded and ready to go so that he could just keep firing? Also, he broke out two windows to fire from so it would take 30 seconds or so to move from one window to the other within the alleged ten minutes of active firing. The movement time of one to two minutes would be non firing time that is included in the “ten” minutes of firing.
The above are the observations of this one not an expert old fart who would like to hear explanations from the arms experts that exist here on FR. I look forward to the answers/comments. They better be good......
The shooter did as well or better than most individual US Marine machinegunners managed to do against Japanese Banzai charges in WWII.
And the Marines used actual machineguns.
Who said the guns were in crates? A couple duffelbags, more likely.
The media also said he had 2 PLATFORMS???? WHAT?? Did he not let any maids in to clean the room?? THAT SHOULD have been a HUGE RED ALERT!
Dan Bilzerian was there and a girl next to him was shot in the head so he ran to his truck to get a rifle (he usually has 100k worth of the best gear money can buy in his vehicle and far better than anything the SWAT team has). I think at that point the police told him to leave.
I think it’s a mistake to assume all injuries were caused by bullets. You’ve got many thousands of people trying to scramble away from the concert, a lot probably in a blind panic.
People throwing themselves to the floor at a new burst of gunfire, throwing themselves over barriers, tripping, falling on other people. That’s a recipe for all sorts of cuts, scrapes, concussions, twisted ankles,fractured elbows etc.
At some point we’ll get a complete count of the number of injured people suffering actual gunshot wounds, but I’d expect a situation that chaotic would have involved a lot of secondary injuries too.
I've done trade shows in hotels in Vegas - audiophile stuff - where vendors bring in stacks of equipment and setup rooms for show. Happens all the time. If there were events going on in the hotel nobody would have batted an eye.
That’s a tricky situation. These days, I would have been reluctant to take a rifle out without permission of the police once they arrived in large numbers. It would have been a good idea for them to accept help in the first ten minutes, while the shooting was in progress, but I’m not willing to shoot over their objections or even without their tacit approval. I also do not carry an firearms except when traveling to or from the range or gun shop, not in the People’s Republic of Maryland.
By my calculation you spend around four thousand dollars a month just on ammo alone. You must be a very wealthy man.
Dan is in this video, he drove an injured girl to the hospital then he came back with his gun, police know who he is (with 20+ million Instagram followers most people recognize him) so it’s a little different than just some civilian with a gun. I agree, I would be reluctant to be standing there with a gun unless I was sure I had to shoot,cops might shoot you.
More than half of that is .22LR, but yes, I am financially comfortable. Shooting is also my primary recreational activity.
GOOD GRIEF!
He had something like Ring cameras placed in and around the hallway so he could see anyone approaching in the hallway. That is how the security guard was shot. He is in a room at the end of a long hallway and can see what is happening in the entire hallway and most likely in the emergency stairwell that I’m sure is right there as well. Might that not explain some of the reports of “activity” on the 29th floor by the police communications?
Add to it, whenever anyone poked their face into the hallway, he was firing through the door to fend them off.
Now, considering that, just why in the H wold you just start to charge that door, especially when one officer is already down? I suspect they were trying to identify those little cameras he placed in that hallway and disabling them as they could to clear the path to the door and blow it as they did.
I suspect when he lost the last camera is when he offed himself.
I guess being there might make it easier to know the facts versus making specious claims/insinuations against those who knew they were facing full auto weapons with an unknown source and couldn’t even be sure if he was alone. By the time they got in (way before that), I’d wager there weren’t many targets left in the field of fire....
It's not uncommon for people to leave the "do not disturb" tag on their doors, even when they're out. The maids do respect that. Try it some time.
Maybe officers need to carry flashbangs...
The marine machine gunners were receiving a lot of return fire from an enemy that wanted to kill them. A lot of times from reinforced positions no comparison at all.
Do you have any idea how much stuff officers carry now.
If an officer carried what they needed to counter act every possible situation they would all need to drive a fully equipped tactical vehicle.
Then someone would attack with a plane and they would need stingers or with a tank and they would need anti-tank weapons.
When seconds count, help is only minutes away....
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