Posted on 10/02/2017 11:32:50 PM PDT by Djl3668
Very simple: “How did this shooter get to spend over 1 hour shooting at ducks in a pond while nobody was prepared to take him down!”
That is the real question! The Hotels were more scared of lawsuits than having their top paying “rollers” he hustled out of their cocaine beds while people died.
So much very wrong here. So disgraced to see the police patting their backs, along with politicians and firemen letting their guard down on a Sunday night!
79 minutes of terror and the only reason I’m writing here is because I thought the SWAT Team made it in less tha 20 minutes.
Horrible. The poor people there were living Dien Bien Phu!
Law enforcement learns from each disaster scenario. I’m not going to second guess them.
Lets look at that. Two officers got to the shooters door after 16 minutes. They know its automatic rifle fire. All they have are pistols and vests capable of stopping pistol rounds.
If you go in you are instantly in a fatal funnel facing down a fellow that has weapons that will go through you and the guy behind you. His rounds go through walls so you can’t barricade on either side of the door. He has a bunch more ammo than you.
Do you go in, and almost certainly get killed and waste the effort or wait for more guys who are bringing flash bangs, rifles and rifle plates?
I am glad that I did not have to make that decision.
I’m fairly certain he barricaded himself in the room by piling furniture in front of the doors. Take into account response time to the building, getting to a high story room in a very large building, initial (later shown to be false) reports of bombs and multiple attackers, and then attempting to gain entry to a fortified position where a known attacker was firing automatic weapons, and I can see it.
Thanks, it was enlightening to listen to and many lessons can be derived from it.
Some confusion in this article:
- Around 10:30 p.m. – A team of six police officers coordinate with hotel security and start searching for the gunman, floor by floor, Sheriff Joe Lampardo confirmed.
When they reach the 32nd floor, they are caught in an exchange of gunfire as Paddock reportedly shoots through the door. They call for backup. A security guard was shot in the leg during the search, but there was no specifics on how he was shot.
- Between 10:30 and 11:30 – SWAT teams are sent to the room in question. They blow the door open with explosives, and find Paddock dead from a gunshot wound. He was found with around 16 guns.
- 10:38 p.m. – Police confirm the shooting and that they are investigating.
https://globalnews.ca/news/3781748/las-vegas-shooting-timeline/
“Not sure where you’re getting 79 minutes from.”
Never let the truth get in the way of a good reason to make a vanity post!
So based on what you have read and understand as truth, the officers prevented the terrorist from shooting on helpless citizens for close to 50 minutes?
That is what I want to believe.
“- Between 10:30 and 11:30 – SWAT teams are sent to the room in question. They blow the door open with explosives, and find Paddock dead from a gunshot wound. He was found with around 16 guns.”
They probably had to wait to clear out the floors. My question is; How do you clean out floors and prevent the terrorist from killing more people for 1 your?
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Fox News had someone talking about the police putting snipers on the windows to prevent more firing but it was just a passing comment with no detail.
Maybe he just got too tired to continue firing.
There is so much conflicting information about this. They are saying they found 10 guns, then 16 then 23, well which is it?
Over an hour response does seem ridiculous in a city like Vegas that is filled with surveillance and police.
“...before killing himself.”
Did he? Has the Coroner ruled yet?
Dj, I don’t know exactly but I think at some point, and early on, he turned and engaged the two officers and security guard that were in the hallway. He hit the security officer.
Them being in the hall is the threat, he has to turn his attention away from shooting the concert goers to the immediate threat in the hallway. At some point, he shot himself. I would bet he still had ammunition left.
This is typical in many mass shootings. Once the shooter realizes the police have arrived their attention goes from offense to defense and often just kill them themselves.
After he stopped firing, the lack of noise might have made it more difficult to find him.
Definitely. What I transcribed was from the radio dispatch which can be confusing at times but it is officers giving real time details of what is going on.
In fact the officers knew the shooter was on the 32nd floor six minutes into the shooting because the heard it from the 31st floor.
Confusion was the operative word. They had teams searching the second floor, other teams moving to a “second shooter” on the 29th, some officers reported that shots could have come from the Luxor, they went after an elderly male in a RV that had camo fatigues on carrying a black bag.
Chaos.
This took just over a hour. The Texas Tower shooting took two hours to end and the Orlando night club shooting took over three hours. The fact is the Las Vegas police took him out in near record time.
The police have to get to the scene; figure out whats going on amid total chaos; have enough police to shoot back or keep shooters from escaping (think the beltway sniper attacks); figure out a plan; and carry it out. Except in this case, there were 450 to 500 dead and wounded all over and something like twenty thousand people getting out of the way. This attack was into 9/11 and 11/M territory. There is no by-the-book response to those kind of attack.
Also, he didn't start shooting into the street again after his first attack. If he did, snipers or patrolmen with rifles would have fired back. They knew a fire alarm had gone off in a room, but he could have moved to a different room or floor or had set up a ambush, maybe with a bomb. Now try imagine being a police officer, no matter how well trained or experienced, dealing with all this.
The LVPD police did better than most police could have done.
Did anyone shoot back at the guy?
Why did nobody return fire??
How did the LEOs get caught in an exchange of gun fire with the perp?
How did he know they were there, outside his door, in the hallway? Did they knock or yell out to him?
So at that point, he was still alive, which means they would have heard the single shot when he took his own life.
It is amazing that the FBI was able to figure out within an hour or two, that the perp was just a “lone wolf” who snapped. But after a year of investigating Trump,they still can’t find any Russians in his closet.
Imagine that...
I agree. Initially witnesses were saying that the shooting only went on for “about two minutes” - saw more than one say that on live tv.
I shoot a lot, typically 200 rounds a day, seven days a week, both rifle and pistol. I am an extremely good shot, but I would not have been able to hit him shooting 300 feet up and from far enough away to get a good angle, not even one shot in ten with any pistol I own. How many people would have had access to a rifle? It's Vegas, not deer hunting country. In the Texas Tower shooting, lost of people had rifles to shoot back, but that was 50 years ago and in Texas.
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