[ravenwolf]

lol this entire thread is about abuse abandoning kids under 14 IS abuse by definition

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Ok, i will have to take your word for that.
But i believe if the law makers actually believed in the constitution they are supposed to be serving there would be a lot of laws that would not be on the books.

And there would be no place for Government peaking toms and uncle toms.

[morphing libertarian]

The concept most people agree on is that children cannot protect themselves from abusive adults like parents who control their lives. That means there will be laws. Those laws get enforced usually when someone reports something not because the state is being peeping Tom. Even Cal doesn’t charge enough taxes for that.

When you leave your kids to go on vacation to another continent, and they are under 14, that is abuse by definition.