Posted on 09/15/2017 8:43:16 AM PDT by V K Lee
UPDATE: From the Daily Caller just now: "House Agrees To $1.6 Billion For Border Wall."
ORIGINAL POST: The media crashed and burned last night over a Democratic Party lie about a deal on amnesty for some illegal aliens.
After a dinner with the president, Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer said, “We agreed to enshrine the protections of DACA into law quickly, and to work out a package of border security, excluding the wall, that’s acceptable to both sides.”
There is no deal. The president said so this morning. Pelosi and Schumer jumped the gun because they hope to gain leverage in a situation in which the president holds the trump card.
Everybody who panicked about this Fake News was a fool. That includes Representative Steve King, a Republican from Iowa, whom I like.
A lie travels around the world before the truth puts its shoes on.
People who railed against President Trump for "caving" made two mistakes.
They believed Pelosi and Schumer. They believed the media.
Me? I trusted President Trump.
I read their statement and knew it was a lie, or to be kind, an embroidery of the truth.
The reason tip-off were the words, "excluding the wall."
Of course the wall was excluded.
It's off the table.
President Trump has authorization for it. A 2006 law made it so. He is not going to relinquish that authority.
But there is no Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals law. It does not exist. DACA is an executive order, at best a blanket use of prosecutorial discretion.
Attorney General Jeff Sessions called it as unconstitutional.
Trump let the Pelosi-Schumer lie slide until this morning. He literally lost no sleep over it because their lie helps him in negotiations, and that is what they are doing: negotiating.
The only agreement they came to was what to talk about.
He made it plain to them that the wall is not negotiable.
Today, he tweeted:
"No deal was made last night on DACA. Massive border security would have to be agreed to in exchange for consent. Would be subject to vote. The WALL, which is already under construction in the form of new renovation of old and existing fences and walls, will continue to be built."
Got that? The wall is off the table.
Pelosi and Schumer's bargaining position is weak. They are in the minority.
But they do have a position, and they seem to be surrogates for Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell. Either man could stop a floor vote on any agreement
They won't.
This is a do-nothing Congress. Donald Trump's is a very active presidency. Contrast and compare. Congress needs leadership. Trump will provide it.
Meanwhile, anyone who said he caved on the wall is a fool.
Quite a few of those types right here on FR. Then again, maybe they’re not getting fooled, maybe they’re paid Deep State provocateurs...
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Many of them came here unaccompanied. They were not brought by their parents. This is part of the myth created by the open border, amnesty supporters trying to create a separate, more sympathetic group to give amnesty to. It is the camel's nose under the tent.
They have not done anything illegal.
Being here makes them illegal. Are you saying that illegal alien children whether brought by the parents or coming unaccompanied are not in violation of the law? When you reward something you get more of it. The "children," some as old as 36 are subject to deportation under the law.
We can deport them and their parents. The children are subject to the consequences to the choices of their parents. That is the way life works whether it is entering this country illegally or committing other crimes.
Now, this should be addressed on a case by case basis.
Why? What are the criteria for saying who gets to receive amnesty and who does not?
They have what amounts to green cards now. They were given work permits and SSNs. Green cards equal amnesty. Any solution that allows the lawbreakers to stay and work here, the object of their crime, is amnesty.
A green card gives them all the rights and privileges of citizens except the right to vote. They can access the entitlement programs, welfare, Medicaid, etc. Most of them have a high school diploma or less. They are competing with American citizens and legal immigrants for jobs. We have a huge surplus of labor, especially those with a high school degree or less.
When do you stop issuing green cards to illegal alien children? Or is this an ongoing program that says to intending illegal aliens, just get here and you will be legalized. We had a flood of unaccompanied illegal alien children a few years ago. They came here to take advantage of DACA.
What would you do with the other 11 to 30 million illegal aliens who live here?
Throwing it to the Democrats, putting the onus on them. Are they going to let the wall keep them from normalizing all those new Democrat voters?
I will revisit this issue!”
That does not mean that he will let the dream kiddies stay.
The Executive Branch implements those laws and has lots of prosecutorial discretion. It was the Executive Branch that sued the state of AZ for trying to enforce federal immigration law. The Executive Branch makes the decisions on who gets visas.
He has known it for a long time. That is a big part of why he decided to take the job.
If someone came here illegally they need to leave.
If someone was brought here as a child and raised here, they should be allowed to stay, but not vote.
A green card shouldn't give anyone access to anything but the right to work here.
To allow them to stay is amnesty. It is wrong.
If the parents commit a robbery and the child is in the car, do you consider them an accessary?
What about the 3rd generation of children, you going to deport them as well?
Thinking like yours will destroy any ability to stop illegal immigration.
That’s Obama’s tactic.
Not your problem to figure out, we already hired the an to do that job....let’s see just how he handles it...so far so good....and remember he’s looking at the BIG Picture....down the road.
Trump ‘LOVES’ leverage ....and people need to see and understand when he’s not only playing it but acquiring it as well.
The goal is stop illegal immigration, not to punish those who had no control in being brought here.
Each case should be viewed individually to see if the individual living here is not engaged in any criminal activity.
Wrong. They broke the law just by being here. The average age of a DACA recipient is 24. If they worked before receiving DACA status, it is a crime. It is also a crime for an employer to hire them. If them committed ID theft, lied on employment forms, misused SSNs, they are felons.
If someone came here illegally they need to leave.
All DACA recipients came here illegally.
If someone was brought here as a child and raised here, they should be allowed to stay, but not vote.
Why should they be allowed to stay? If they came here with their parents, then they all should be deported. If they came here unaccompanied, they should be deported back to their home country to be repatriated with their parents or relatives.
The idea that you can create second class citizens with no ability to obtain citizenship will be overturned by the courts. Your logic seems flawed. On one hand you say they committed no crimes and are essentially blameless. Yet you want to take away their ability to become citizens and vote. You can't have it both ways.
A green card shouldn't give anyone access to anything but the right to work here.
You are ill-informed about what a green card is and what it entails in terms of rights and benefits. We have at any one time 15 million green card holders. They are either on a path to citizenship or they have made the decision not to become citizens and just remain Legal Permanent Residents.
The child is not an accessory, but the child suffers the consequences of being without his/her parents and being placed in foster homes or with relatives. The courts do not make allowances that the parents should not be punished or the punishment lessened so that at least one parent can be with the child. In the case of DACA, Obama issued specific orders to ICE that the illegal parents of DACA recipients should not be deported in order to keep the family together. Do you support deporting the parents of DACA recipients?
What about the 3rd generation of children, you going to deport them as well?
LOL. If they are born in the US, they are American citizens at birth. It is why we have anchor babies who make it more difficult to deport their parents. There are 300,000 anchor babies born annually in the US. They are all US citizens thru birthright citizenship.
It should also be noted that if you give green cards to DACA recipients, they can sponsor their parents and other relatives to join them in the US once they are 21. Since the average age of DACA recipients is currently 24, they will be able to sponsor many of their relatives thru chain migration.
Thinking like yours will destroy any ability to stop illegal immigration.
I have been working on the immigration issue for over 10 years as part of a grassroots organization that lobbies on the Hill. I worked closely with NumbersUSA, FAIR, CIS, and the offices of people like Jeff Sessions and Steve King. The biggest problem with stopping illegal immigration is the ignorance of the general public about immigration laws, rules, etc. The Dems, MSM, and RINOs rely on an uninformed public to fool and deceive.
I have actually issued visas as a Foreign Service Officer for 28 years. I understand the issue far better than you. I am trying to educate you on the issue.
It is not a matter of punishment. It is the law of the land. If you are here illegally, you are subject to deportation. We deport families all of the time. And you keep on spouting the line about no control being brought here when the fact is that many came unaccompanied as teenagers. Should they be treated differently?
When do we put an end to legalizing the children of illegal aliens who were brought here at a young age? Is this going to be the metric going forward? Just get here and we will legalize your children? Why not deport the parents and the children?
Each case should be viewed individually to see if the individual living here is not engaged in any criminal activity.
How do you define criminal activity? Just being in the country is illegal. Working is illegal. Lying on employment forms (I-9) is illegal.
Each DACA applicant was treated individually. The approval rate was 99.4% and the screening amounted to a rubber stamp. And there are close to 3 million more who could qualify for DACA and didn't apply. Would you also give them an opportunity to stay?
There are at any one time 4 million intending immigrants waiting their turn overseas, including children. They have gone thru the legal process undergoing background checks, physicals, etc. Many are waiting years to enter. Where is the fairness when it comes to illegal aliens who go to the head of the line? Why should their children be given preferred status over those who are doing it legally? What message does it send?
It does not involve punishment - just send them back to their own country. It is the fault usually of their parents.
That’s a bad kitty. No num-nums for you.
Of course they broke laws. No way should any of the entitle “dreamers” be allowed to stay. The just thing to do is to deport all of them. There should be no special treatment for some, to have some (e.g. Hillary) be above the law.
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