[originalbuckeye]

With all the illegals voting in California, it is turning into a third world country.

[Olog-hai]

I’d say a second-world country. Formerly industrialized and filling with squalor, run by a one-party rubber stamp government.

[Baynative]

I honestly feel sorry for my old friends in California who are tethered there by family or employment and won't be able make it out before things get even worse, or collapse altogether.

We made our exit in 2002 and were fortunate to sell out at a high point in the housing market pay cash for our Idaho property where we have a nicer rural lakeside home with no traffic, beautiful views, mountains and critters around us ...AND the taxes are less than half.