Apple's MacBooks: Still the most reliable

ZDNet — Storage Bits ^ | May 26, 2017 — 12:07 GMT (05:07 PDT) | By Robin Harris

[BestPresidentEver]

I’ve used the app and it lets you set the fan speed. Just because you wrote it makes the fans run at full speed doesn’t mean it does. I use the app and it lets you set the rpm to whatever you want.

It’s well known that Apple uses almost all laptop parts in their iMacs. Pictures don’t prove anything. They use laptop parts otherwise they could not make them so slim.

[Swordmaker]

It’s well known that Apple uses almost all laptop parts in their iMacs. Pictures don’t prove anything. They use laptop parts otherwise they could not make them so slim.

What a liar. Laptops from Apple average under 0.6 inch in thickness. iMacs, espacially the one you reference ran from an inch and a quarter to over three inches at there thickest width. The 2011 iMac slimmed down to 2.5" at its thickest dimension. They only looked slim at the edges. SHEESH!

Wide edged iMac side view, showing they are not so "slim."

The "oh-so-not-slim" 2017 5K iMac in profile that just MUST be made of laptop components per BestPresidentEver

Keep dancing, oh one who spouts facturds! Photos DO SHOW THE COMPONENTS. . . and hoist you on your own Petard about Apple having to use "laptop parts" in iMacs or "otherwise they could not make them so slim" malarkey! There's enough volume inside an iMac to stuff THREE OR FOUR MacBook Pro laptops, complete with cases.

Are you an escapee from the liberal news media who thinks that you can just make a lying claim such as "It’s well known that Apple uses almost all laptop parts in their iMacs. Pictures don’t prove anything", after the actual photos of the internals of both an iMac, showing full size logic boards with large fans, and a MacBook Pro, with miniaturized laptop sized components for comparison, have been posted in this thread? Yet you STILL repeat your thoroughly shot down proven false assertion?

You actually want people READING YOUR posts to disbelieve their own eyes and believe your lies after they've seen the photos that demonstrate graphically you are lying, merely because YOU ASSERT IT IS A FACT they should believe YOU? You know, BestPresidentEver, it takes an especially kind of stupid troll to keep on digging deeper when the hole you've already dug is falling in on you. Every shovel full you toss up is just falling right back on your head.

You are as delusional as the Russian/Trump Collusian Delusionaries on the Media Left, and you have as much evidence for your claims.

[ImJustAnotherOkie]

Nonsense

[TheStickman]

“You are buying all your software from Apple written specifically for Apple and priced by Apple.”

False.

I have been using macs everyday since 2008. In that time I have purchased 1 program from Apple: Logic Pro. I still use it along with software I purchased from scores of other companies like Toontrack, Native Instruments, Slate Digital, Avid, Steinburg, Waves & many others.

[TheStickman]

“So everyone who buys an apple must pay their exorbitant ram price for because you’re stuck with it.”

False.

You can buy an iMac or a Mac Pro & upgrade the ram with non-Apple ram. I’m typing this on a Mac Pro & none of the ram came from Apple. The video card didn’t come from Apple & none of the hard drives came from Apple.

[Swordmaker]

Nonsense

No, it is a fact that OS X.10 Yosemite does not require the assistance of third party apps to manage third party SSD drives. It handled them natively. All of them. It is also a fact that TRIM was incompatible with OS X.10.x Yosemite because it would conflict with the built in management. What is nonsense about factual data?

[Swordmaker]

False.

I have been using macs everyday since 2008. In that time I have purchased 1 program from Apple: Logic Pro. I still use it along with software I purchased from scores of other companies like Toontrack, Native Instruments, Slate Digital, Avid, Steinburg, Waves & many others.

JustAnotherOkie claims that Trim, a third-party software app sold by some third-party vendor was necessary to control third-party vendor SSDs yet he also in the same thread claims that ALL software for Macs is sold by Apple and priced by Apple. He wants it to be both ways. One of his claims is a lie or perhaps both are lies. They can't both be true. Apple has never endorsed the use of TRIM on its hardware and in fact advised against it, yet he claims, since it is software and runs on Macs, it must therefor be sold and priced by Apple. Say What?

[ImJustAnotherOkie]

No, it was because the security model changed.

It was Apple’s choice for Yosemite because of security but the workaround was disaster prone.

I sure you understand Trim. It’s essential to a long life for SSD’s and garbage collection is not the same thing.

Besides they fixed it later on.

[BestPresidentEver]

Your emotional investment in this debate is excessive.

[Swordmaker]

Your emotional investment in this debate is excessive.

You lies are excessive. I have no emotional investment. . . But you lie through your eye teeth. Truth is important and needs to be pushed in the face of liars. You are the one who keeps repeating falsehoods in the face of overwhelming graphic evidence that you are completely wrong. You heard some rumor once and now you are completely invested in it and believe it with everything you have, and you can't give it up dispite facts and evidence to the contrary. You give every sign of being a closet Liberal Snowflake. Just come out of your closet and admit it.

[Swordmaker]

I sure you understand Trim. It’s essential to a long life for SSD’s and garbage collection is not the same thing.

Trim allowed some third-party SSDs that were not OS X compliant to work on Macs. Apple did not approve the use of such third-party SSDs for various reasons, one of which is they tended to slow down after extended use, while the approved models did not. TRIM solved some of that issue, but even with the use of TRIM the models would slow down. . . Because they, and it, were kludges. Apple found a way to bypass the kludgy nature of those drives in OS X.10 Yosemite and implemented it that worked with all SSD drives, it did not "break" TRIM, it deliberately bypassed the need for such a kludge. You are the only one who is talking about "garbage collection" pretending you know something useful. PAY ATTENTION.

[ImJustAnotherOkie]

Some Apple PR guy gave you the lowdown?

[Swordmaker]

Some Apple PR guy gave you the lowdown?

What part of "I've managed and maintained over 120 Macs" did you fail to comprehend? What part of "I've owned and run a cross platform tech business for almost forty years" did you fail to grasp? I've made my living in this field. None of that requires being told anything by anyone in Apple PR, asshat. Don't you think I KNOW what I'm talking about by now? I am, an expert in this area. Businesses PAY ME for what I know, for my expertise.

You, on the other hand, are a know nothing dilettante, Okie. You've shown you don't have clue in matters Mac or Apple, which are demonstrated in the unfounded rumors you've repeated and the lies you spout in Apple threads.

[roadcat]

The novice Okie isn’t worth the bother, Sword. Just another child out to disrupt Apple threads. Like you I’ve maintained Apple machines for forty years as well as PCs, minis, mainframes and telecom, and the BS is thick with that one. As for the MacBook Pro I just received, I’m enjoying it, including the software made by Apple (according to Okie) called Microsoft Office 2016 and Adobe PhotoShop CS6 Master Suite among other apps. I’ve worked on multiple Mac/iMac desktops as well as many MacBooks and they are very different with different components. Sometimes you run across some similarities like I did replacing Twentieth-Anniversary Mac components with those from Mac laptops (1996-1997), but rarely. You know your stuff, Sword. This novice Okie, not so much (actually very little).

[ImJustAnotherOkie]

Well since you are such Apple hardware aficionado’s you should be able to work on antique components.

I’m sure it’s obvious to you that you’ve been left holding the bag on products that are slowly being suffocated by Apple but still charging a 50% premium yet MacRumors has the majority of line of products as Don’t buy with a couple of Caution’s thrown in.

[roadcat]

People are buying. You probably haven’t noticed, but Apple is doing well and wouldn’t be unless millions of buyers are in agreement to buy. I’ve been hearing the same BS as what you are spouting, for decades. Of course, I knew it was BS and bought stock in the teens, that has since grown and split multiple times. Antiques? Yeah, like my Apple II SN#317. These things work and keep on working, just like their modern counterparts, although upgraded with solid-state drives. Apple products are reliable; that’s why people are buying.

[Swordmaker]

I’m sure it’s obvious to you that you’ve been left holding the bag on products that are slowly being suffocated by Apple but still charging a 50% premium yet MacRumors has the majority of line of products as Don’t buy with a couple of Caution’s thrown in.

The "Don't Buy" from MacRumors is based on the proximity of product refreshes due, not because the product is a bad product or that they are telling you to avoid Apple products, asshat. They are telling you to wait because a new version of that product is due soon. WAKE UP AND PAY ATTENTION!

Nowhere does MacRumors claim Apple buyers are paying a 50% premium as you claim. Nor do they claim that products are being slowly suffocated by Apple. Just more LIES from you.

[ImJustAnotherOkie]

Stale is stale Fanbois. That’s one out of 7.

I swear you sound like the a bunch of liberal women.

[Swordmaker]

Stale is stale Fanbois. That’s one out of 7.

They are ALL like that. . .because updates are due soon, asshat. MacRumors is named for that very reason. They publish based on RUMORS not on facts. Facts are all that matters. What do you care? You don't use Apple products as you've made abundantly clear. You are in Apple threads merely to throw feces against the wall, something done only by monkeys and mentally disturbed people. Which one are you?

How stale is the latest Samsung Galaxy S8 phone that is being easily bested in almost every head-to-head speed tests by a two year old iPhone 6? Now that's stale.

You are just wasting time with your specious arguments that don't even bother to read what your sources are actually saying. You just read into them what you want them to say.

The only ones who sound like lying Liberal Women on this thread are those negative liars: that's you and the poster who keeps harping despite graphic evidence posted that he is absolutely wrong about his claims.

[ImJustAnotherOkie]

Name calling will get you nowhere.

You made my point perfectly, Apple is a phone company, not a computer company.

Every Tom Dick and Harry have a phone and they have no real clue as to what they have and how it works. It’s a pretty easy market to tap considering 3/4 of your customers have an IQ around 100.

As they say, nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of their customers and Apple has proved that.