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To: rollo tomasi

I didn’t say she’s not a Mary Sue, I said whining about it shows you simply don’t understand SW. Really let’s look at them:
Grew up in the desert suburbs
played with fast vehicles
didn’t want to follow in the family business
wanted to escape to a life of adventure

That’s the thumbnail bio for BOTH Lucas and Luke S. He is the very definition of a Marty Stu. Hell even Woody Allen doesn’t name his character after himself.

Only time Luke got his ass kicked was fighting Vader. And he didn’t just have quick reflexes, he was the best X-Wing pilot in the Death Star fight, and won the day. Rey hasn’t shown any direct Force skills. And Rey goes through plenty of character struggle, or have you conveniently forgotten that she was starving. Luke shot womprat, Rey flew whatever random crap she found.

Whining about Mary Sue character in SW is an abomination. It’s a hobby of the kind of pathetic whiners that inspired the Simpsons Comicbook guy, the pathetic douches that must complain about everything in order to feel important. Out here in reality that’s what SW is, was and always will be, it’s a director wish fulfillment series built around stand-in characters. Because while it starts with Luke it sure as hell didn’t end there. Obi-Wan is the father figure Lucas always wanted, Han the cool friend, and Leia started as the girlfriend he always wanted and turned into the sister (which should creep everybody the hell out). Suddenly not liking that 40 years later is just silly.


69 posted on 04/18/2017 7:49:39 AM PDT by discostu (Stand up and be counted, for what you are about to receive.)
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To: discostu
Ma-Rey-Sue/bastardization of the whole "Force development" and the bad writing made the original trilogy irrelevant. Killed the immersion, the history, and the lore which originally was made up on the fly anyway. Oh she was starving, give me a break. That is not the point at all in terms of development or the Mary Sue aspect. Ma-Rey-Sue went from scavenger to Jedi Master in an hour, that is the point.

Originally 'A New Hope' was a farce from since the beginning. Watch the interviews after the movie “blew up”. The creators had no idea how to continue the story, so when you use this “father figure”/metaphoric stuff its just hilarious in light of the inconsistency in the next films.

VII was a money grab written by people who just C/P parts of the OT then added an agenda. Heck Kathleen Kennedy boasted (During production) about pushing the strong (Poorly written) female character meme as some sort of triumph in modern day civilization. The development is forced with a lot of short-cuts. Just blatant agenda pushing and cringe writing considering what Abrams said about “white males”. BTW, not a Star Wars geek at all, just criticize forced agendas, the whitewashing of the OT, terrible character development, and bad writing. Enjoy the movie, for me it was awful worthy of a Mystery Science Theater 3000 episode.

72 posted on 04/18/2017 1:23:33 PM PDT by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians.)
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To: discostu
Luke was a weak whiny b!tch for two movies looking for shortcuts from Kenobi and Yoda.

The writers gave Rey shortcuts, hence Ma-Rey-Sue/awful development/forced “girl power” shtick.

Star Wars is overrated anyway. The OT were good (At least the first two) but the rest, not so good. VII completely invalidated the OT. They should of just started in a new era, not 30 years after the fact. This was just pandering off nostalgia from the OT actors who looked embarrassed to be in that flick.

20th Century Fox thought ‘A New Hope’ would not be strong. Heck the “summer blockbuster” was forecasted to be The Other Side of Midnight. ANH had a limited release, but took off fast. After that, money grab galore. There is profit, but pandering gets in the way of the actual art if the acting and writing are "forced".

102 posted on 04/24/2017 5:30:32 AM PDT by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians.)
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