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To: discostu
Leaf is in the second category.

You conveniently left out the third category, REDEMPTION..........

Appears to me he's trying to make amends for his own past...........And yet you condemn him.

Not surprising, even hypocrites such as you tend to find refuge in Conservative and Christian based forums such as FR.........

15 posted on 03/12/2017 3:42:42 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (My once 6 pack abs are now a keg......)
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To: Hot Tabasco

9 times out of 10 redemption is a lie they sell you to get more money out of you.

He appeared to be trying to make amends back in 2008 when the documentary Leaf was made about him and his “redemptive” journey. Then in 2009 he was indicted for burglary in Texas. Then in 2012 he was indicted for burglary in Montana. So much for that redemption. Maybe he has turned it around, but I ain’t believing it until he’s kept his nose clean for at least a decade.

Nothing hypocritical about it. Just the voice of experience knowing that people that screw up their lives then find drugs tend to stay screw ups. Been having this argument with my mother-in-law about her grandson the scumbag. She wants to blame all his problems on drugs, I point out that he was a liar and a thief who steals from his own family BEFORE he got on drugs. That he was in fact those things in order to get enough money to get a drug habit in the first place. And I don’t care if he says he’s stopped doing drugs, I don’t even care if he’s actually not doing drugs. Because he was a liar and a thief FIRST and even as a recovered addict he’s still a liar and a thief.

Both my nephew-in-law and Leaf need to prove it before I believe it. They both have the recidivist history, with or without drugs, for me to have no interest in believing them without YEARS of proof.


19 posted on 03/12/2017 3:58:45 PM PDT by discostu (There are times when all the world's asleep, the questions run too deep, for such a simple man.)
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To: Hot Tabasco
My husband and I live in a part of the city where our church locates recovering addicts and those released from prison. They get **intensive** support from our congregation our denomination in the form of free apartments, food, transportation vouchers, medical and dental support, and employment in a supportive environment. Church social workers visit even make daily visits at first.

Even with all this support it is rare to see a success. It's like watching a constant train wreck in slow motion It is sad because we do become very fond of them and are always praying for them and hoping they will succeed. Few do.

29 posted on 03/12/2017 4:43:02 PM PDT by wintertime (Stop treating government teachers like they are reincarnated Mother Teresas!)
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