Posted on 02/13/2017 4:33:00 PM PST by nickcarraway
Dresden's mayor has used the event to remind participants of the brutalities of war, even in the 21st century. During World War II, Allied forces firebombed the German city of Dresden, leaving 25,000 people dead.
Around 12,000 people on Monday gathered in Dresden and joined hands to form a human chain in a message of "peace and reconciliation" marking the anniversary of the deadly firebombing of the city by Allied forces towards the end of the Second World War.
The act aimed at reminding the participants of the brutal bombing, considered one of the Allied forces more controversial acts during the war.
"In this world, several conflicts are being carried out in a warlike manner and human rights are being trampled on," said Dresden Mayor Dirk Hilbert.
"This suffering affects us directly in a globalized world," he added, placing a white rose on a memorial of the controversial attack.
(Excerpt) Read more at dw.com ...
Yeah but Hitler Himmler and Goebbels didn’t fight to the last, they killed themselves
Still looking for a definition of murder.
Question: "Does God killing people make Him a murderer?"
Answer: The Old Testament records God killing multitudes of people, and some people want to believe this makes Him a murderer. The misconception that “killing” and “murder” are synonymous is partially based on the King James mistranslation of the sixth commandment, which reads, “Thou shalt not kill” (Exodus 20:13). However, the word kill is a translation of the Hebrew word ratsach, which nearly always refers to intentional killing without cause. The correct rendering of this word is “murder,” and all modern translations render the command as “You shall not murder.” The Bible in Basic English best conveys its meaning: “Do not put anyone to death without cause.”
It is true that God has intentionally killed many people. (God never “accidentally” does anything.) In fact, the Bible records that He literally wiped out entire nations including women, children, cattle, etc. In addition to that, God killed every living creature upon the face of the earth with the exception of eight people and the animals on the ark (Genesis 7:21-23; 1 Peter 3:20). Does this make Him a murderer?
As already stated, to kill and to murder are different things. Murder is “the premeditated, unlawful taking of a life,” whereas killing is, more generally, “the taking of a life.” The same Law that forbids murder permits killing in self-defense (Exodus 22:2).
For more of this article see https://www.gotquestions.org/God-killing.html,p>
“considered one of the Allied forces more controversial acts during the war. “
Yeah... I’ll be sure to feel really guilty about that when I go to sleep.
In other news I love going down to Dresden on my drive down to Prague. (I live south of Berlin half the year). The Elbe river drive to the Czech border is spectacular. I love staying in the little B&Bs there on a long weekend.
God is the Lord and Giver of Life,and He is entitled to take anyone's life, from the unborn babe to the bus full of high school kids, any time He wishes. This cannot be said of us: we are not Lords and Gods and we are explicitly forbidden (for instance) to shed innocent blood.
So the definition "Murder is the premeditated, unlawful taking of a life," is a good one, if "unlawful" refers to God's law, not the law of any particular political regime.>p> But I'm still interested in more specificity. Is it ever lawful, in terms of Divine and Natural Law to intentionally kill an innocent person? ("Innocent" in this context means i.e. a person not convicted of a capital crime, who is also non-combatant (not committing violent aggression.)
This is a question which has interested me for a long time.
I think I would define murder, as the premeditated intentional killing of a human being, with that decision made by the perpetrator himself.
I would not consider accidental deaths to be murder.
I would not consider deaths caused by war to be murder. Those deaths in my view would not be intentional taking of innocent life as decided on by a criminal perpetrator.
You pose an interesting question. I look forward to others responses to this.
Sow the wind, and reap the whirlwinds.
Would the protestors feel better if Dresden was attacked by V2 missiles?
There is something very despairing in me when I see photos of charred women and children and babies in strollers.
>Yup. If every city and town in Germany had been turned into a Dresden as early as 1943 the war might have ended sooner.
That’s not historically accurate. Intentional mass murder like dresden increased German resolve. The correct strategic use of heavy bombers didn’t occurre until 1945 with mass attacks on the transportation networks which resulted in the total shutdown of the German indrustal machine withing 3 months of the start of the campaign.
The advocates for mass murder by bomber delayed the end of the war by almost a year with tactics the Germans had already been proven ineffective in Spain and during the Battle of Britain.
Would the protestors feel better if Dresden was attacked by V2 missiles?
Thank you for responding. Your definition is at least a good beginning!
I would want to distinguish between just killings and unjust killings in war. One cannot say that all killings in war are outside of the definition of murder. All expressions of the American military ethic — including, I think, the U.S.Army Field Manual -— make clear that some killings in war are unlawful.
Keep in mind that morally upright American military men used force and the threat of force to STOP other American men from massacring civilians at My Lai. Killing those unarmed villagers in the ditch was murder. Those who stopped the massacre were the true men of justice, upholding the American and Judeo-Christian ethic.
If you mean could a person just kill someone just to kill someone (not in self defense, combat, etc) then no...it is against both Divine and Natural Law.
The Holocaust comes to mind. The Nazis killed the Jews just because they were Jews.
But let's recall from the words of the NT that hating your brother (fellow man) is akin to murder. John writes: Everyone who hates his brother is a murderer; and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him. 1 John 3:15 NASB
So murder can extend to not only the physical act itself but the mental as well. It's like Jesus defining adultery as lusting being just as sinful as the physical.
I thought the Transportation Plan began in 1944 before the invasion of Normandy.
Of equal, if not greater importance, were the attacks on Germany's oil capacity. This really limited Germany's ability to continue the war.
>Yes, the Germans started the area bombing and “asked for it.” We repaid them in full and with considerable interest.
Actually the British started it. The Germans held off retaliating for 3 months. The early war propaganda about German bombing cities into submission was just allied propaganda. German tactics where all close air support or bombing transportation targets. The British started a campaign of bombing German cities with no fanfare in order to get the Germans to stop bombing the airfields during the Battle of Britain and in order to layer justify thier own murder the civilians campaign that bomber command was convinced would win the war.
>I thought the Transportation Plan began in 1944 before the invasion of Normandy.
It did, but it was running full force till 1945 due to terror bombing.
>Of equal, if not greater importance, were the attacks on Germany’s oil capacity. This really limited Germany’s ability to continue the war.
The loss of Romania was a much bigger loss than the Synthetic Oil plants. German Military and indrusty was dependent on rapidit transport and once the the stored materials ran out the war machine collapsed. Most of the German military used horses and trains for transport so low gas supplies wasn’t nearly as crippling as the endless bombing of the transportation networks. Allied estimates on the effectiveness of our bombing oil plants came from our own massive use of gas powered vehicles.
Just as an aside, Himmler was captured and committed suicide while in British captivity. He attempted to elude capture by posing, amazingly, as a German policeman- who were subject to extra scrutiny when apprehended
He aroused the suspicions attempting to pass through a British checkpoint, when his papers were perfectly in order, possibly the first time they'd ever seen that.
However, Merkel is destroying German culture and German society. There will be no recovering from Merkel's destruction.
Japan did not surrender because of nuclear bombings, they surrendered because Russia declared war and invaded them.
They killed themselves because they were cranked up on drugs. At least Hitler was.
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