Posted on 02/11/2017 6:38:15 PM PST by MtnClimber
Brazilian store robbery. Good guy has good skills in dropping groceries and acting compliant. When robber turns to cash register the good guy pulls gun, but bad guy hears when he has to rack the slide to chamber a round. The good guy barely wins the shoot out.
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My S&W J-frames don’t have bobbed hammers. They shoot well, and I’m fine shooting 357 loads out of them. I’m also fine with the 38 special as a self defense load...but I prefer BB’s low power 357 - 158 grain JHP going 1100 fps out of a 2” barrel.
Many of us carry for SELF DEFENSE. Not for law enforcement, and many of us don’t go to places inhabited by gangs. In 40 years, I’ve pulled a gun in self defense ONCE.
Not interested in being judged by someone who thinks a 10mm Glock is needed. George Adamson used to go after man eating lions with a double barrel rifle. His advice was to wait until 10 yards...and don’t miss. There is something to be said for knowing you need to make your shots count!
Do what you wish, but maybe, just maybe, it is OK for adults to make their own risk assessment. AND to choose how to handle it.
The IDF carry on an empty chamber. Watch their manual of arms with their Glocks and they are smooth and fast. I practice that way and often carry a j frame.
“Sorry, but the misnomer that a revolver never fails killed a number of FBI agents in the Miami shootout.”
The 6Ps killed them.
“In a real gun fight, a revolver doesn’t give you a single advantage. fact is, it handicaps you.”
In a real one it actually gives you the advantage of speed, reliability, and stone cold simplicity. As for the magnum loads, they will feel like 22s. And though we all prepare for a band of al qeida frogmen, it will be a crapweasel at a distance between ATM and length of a car. There will be 2 or 3 rounds fired and no reload in something like 98%.
Go ready for multiple offenders training and carry two extra mags. There’s nothing wrong with that. But its very rare that you will be in a shooting. Its almost unheard of that it be a sustained shootout with multiple bad guys. And also, in multiple offenders, the lowly revolver is still good. When the resistance starts, you see a pattern. One falls dead and his accomplices beat feet and get the F outta dodge.
They don’t stay an fight to try to rescue their downed accomplice.
It’s a little more concealable, & the low bore axis should reduce muzzle flip. I haven’t shot one, and don’t know if it has a decent trigger or not though.
The concept is 140 years our of date."
You might want to revise that date. I have several post WWI to pre-WWII S&W revolvers that do NOT prevent them from going off if the hammer is accidentally struck. Early Rugers also had this issue. And the Colt Single Action (SA) still can fire if the hammer is accidentally struck. In the case of the Colt SA, the change hasn't been made because those that buy Colt SA, don't want Colt to change it. I guess if you spend over a $1000 dollars for a piece of history, you don't want any change to be made.
When the US military carried 1911s, condition 3 was also standard. Loaded mag under an empty chamber.
I’ve seen a few of these. It seems more a matter of training. My carry is a Glock 43, and with all the incidents out there of unintentional discharges of that brand, I’m a little paranoid about carrying with one in the chamber. I do have a S/W .38 Airweight wheel gun, but like the feel of the Glock better.
Well I guess I am easy to please.
I like revolvers and autos. Heck I like single shots too but would not choose one for self defense.
When I was in grad school, a friend kept a police trade-in .38 special revolver beside his bed. It was all he could afford but he was adequately armed none the less.
I would love to have a full sized Glock 10mm and if I were still working and making good money, I would have one. A Glock 17 would be about as good as would a large number of other guns.
I do think a J frame .357 is a little too extreme but if you can handle if fine. Put some Hogue grips on it. I keep two Browning Hi-Powers beside my bed. I do not keep them cocked and locked because the safeties are a bit small. I do keep them loaded with Golden Sabres and Silvertips in 20 round Mec-Gar mags. If I were carrying them concealed it would be Mec-Gar 15 rounders.
Not the ideal weapon but I have used them since 1969 and am familiar with them plus for some reason, I have always been able to hit well with the Browning.
I don’t carry a SAA revolver for self defense. I know about the revolvers without the hammer block sleeve. I like revolvers and have some I have carried, but the capacity does not come close to the 13-17 round capacity of semi-autos of recent manufacture that I have found to be reliable.
Sig’s SA/DA P-226 is my way.
Yes, a Sig P-226 is definitely in the elite class. I wish I had kept at least one of the ones I once had.
I have said all I intend to say about revolvers vs semi-autos and I stand by every word.
Revolvers...
The correct club to be in!
Multiple attacker homicides are increasingly normal these days. It's common enough that you almost have to assume that you will be facing more than one person.
For the reasons I have already stated and more, a high cap semi-auto is an infinitely better choice than a 5-6 shot revolver.
There's a reason that no cops, feds, military folks, or serious gunfighter types carry revolvers anymore. To be brutally honest, people that sit behind their key boards trying to convince other people that revolvers are somehow a better choice than a quality high cap semi-auto are dumba**es.
Like I just said, there’s a reason no cops, feds, military operators, or other serious gunfighter types carry revolvers. But to each his own.
Okay
We get it.
Now about that dumdazz comment.
Have a nice day!
True, but trying to reload a revolver is a two hand operation. Tough when already shot in an arm
Concealed carry means one in the chamber and your finger is the safety when it is out of your holster. Racking a slide under stress is a bad idea. As bad as leaving your safety on.
Not a CCW story, but my brothers friend missed bagging 2 different dear on two different occasions with the same lever gun, both times because the safety was on. In each case, he had time to rack the lever at least 2 times, meaning he aimed and pulled the trigger 3 times each time, but the safety block was in the way. It was only after the deer was long gone and buck fever passed, that he had the mental ease to think if perhaps the safety was on, which it was both times.
Now, in a self defense shooting, do you really think this same guy is going to think about taking the safety off his handgun when the balloon goes up?
I now 1911 aficionados train relentlessly and hope they automatically take off safe from cocked and locked when they pull a gun in the stress of self defense.
To me, a gun with a de-cocker but no safety makes much more sense. I know I won’t have the presence of mind to do anything but aim and fire if I ever needed to. I know I would forget to remove safe.
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