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Who is the grandfather of fake news?
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Posted on 02/06/2017 6:41:47 PM PST by ProgressingAmerica

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Fake news goes hand in hand with the ideological belief of manipulating people, together with lying about being "objective".
1 posted on 02/06/2017 6:41:47 PM PST by ProgressingAmerica
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To: ProgressingAmerica
Joseph Goebbels?

2 posted on 02/06/2017 6:43:31 PM PST by FreeAtlanta (what a mess we got ourselves into)
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If anybody wants on/off the revolutionary progressivism ping list, send me a message

Progressives do not want to discuss their own history. I want to discuss their history.

Summary: Fake news begins with "journalistic objectivity", that's not where it ends.

3 posted on 02/06/2017 6:43:50 PM PST by ProgressingAmerica (We cannot leave history to "the historians" anymore.)
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Ping......... There is a fascinating story about how William Randolph Hearst learned everything he knew about manipulating people in the news from William Thomas Stead.

"Government by Journalism"

But neither Stead nor Hearst claimed "objectivity", not that I'm aware of.

4 posted on 02/06/2017 6:46:02 PM PST by ProgressingAmerica (We cannot leave history to "the historians" anymore.)
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In grade school I heard about how Yellow Journalism helped the Spanish-American War to erupt. I consider that the first instance of fake news.

From Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaganda_of_the_Spanish%E2%80%93American_War

Men such as William Hearst, the owner of The New York Journal was involved in a circulation war with Joseph Pulitzer of the New York World and saw the conflict as a way to sell papers. Many newspapers ran articles of a sensationalist nature and sent correspondents to Cuba to cover the war. Correspondents had to evade Spanish Authorities; usually they were unable to get reliable news and relied heavily on informants for their stories. Many stories were derived from second or third hand accounts and were either elaborated, misrepresented or completely fabricated by journalists to enhance their dramatic effect.


5 posted on 02/06/2017 6:46:23 PM PST by Redcitizen
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To: FreeAtlanta

Ted Turner


6 posted on 02/06/2017 6:46:56 PM PST by Eddie01 (It's 13 deg. F out and I want ice cream)
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The Spanish-American War began after Spain was blamed for the sinking of the USS Maine. But the war was provoked by powerful U.S. newspapers and served the interests of big banks. By James Perloff

Spanish-American War: Trial Run for Interventionism
http://www.thenewamerican.com/culture/history/item/12338-trial-run-for-interventionism


7 posted on 02/06/2017 6:47:56 PM PST by VitacoreVision
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lol


8 posted on 02/06/2017 6:48:48 PM PST by FreeAtlanta (what a mess we got ourselves into)
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William Thomas Stead

"They(journalists) decide what their readers shall know, or what they shall not know." (1886)


9 posted on 02/06/2017 6:49:11 PM PST by ProgressingAmerica (We cannot leave history to "the historians" anymore.)
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Much food for thought here. Thanks.


10 posted on 02/06/2017 6:49:15 PM PST by Montaignes Cat
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Edward Bernays is the grandfather of Fake News.

Edward Bernays' Ideas on Propaganda Continue to Haunt Americans
http://www.thenewamerican.com/culture/item/19553-bernays-ideas-on-propaganda-continue-to-haunt-americans

When Americans see the bizarre responses of the mainstream media and the progressive politicians to tragedies such as the Tucson shootings — for instance, the proposal to ban rhetoric or symbols perceived to be violent — many wonder how the country has come to this strange place where elitists are moving to gain control at the expense of individual liberties. Perhaps one need not look past the Woodrow Wilson administration for the answer.

Today’s politicians and progressives seem to have taken some notes right out of the works of Edward Bernays, President Wilson’s propaganda master. The author of books such as Crystallizing Public Opinion (1923) and Propaganda (1928) — both of which were heavily utilized by Adolf Hitler’s Nazi propaganda minister, Joseph Goebbels — Bernays has been credited with manipulating public opinion about such varied subjects as World War I, smoking, and even bacon. He has been dubbed the “Father of Spin” and the “Godfather of modern public relations” because of his extraordinary ability to alter public opinion.

11 posted on 02/06/2017 6:50:48 PM PST by VitacoreVision
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Hearst learned everything he knew from Stead. That includes his manipulations that led to the Spanish American War.


12 posted on 02/06/2017 6:51:07 PM PST by ProgressingAmerica (We cannot leave history to "the historians" anymore.)
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Walter Cronkite.


13 posted on 02/06/2017 6:51:20 PM PST by Oldeconomybuyer (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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I read a letter from a Confederate Soldier to his wife. This would have been around 1863.

He mentioned to her that he had read a Richmond newspaper and they were giving credit to Virginia troops for winning some unknown skirmish.

He said in fact it was the Florida companies which had won the battle.

I think Alexander the great took reporters along with him to send news back to Macedonia and Greece. Don’t know if they made stuff up tho.


14 posted on 02/06/2017 6:52:28 PM PST by yarddog (Romans 8:38-39, For I am persuaded.)
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Bernays is a very interesting man. He did start out as a journalist at university. But by the time he started doing his freedom torches and other campaigns, he wasn’t in the news field anymore.

That’s why he’s regarded as the father of public relations, that was his field.

Wouldn’t that make Bernays the grandfather of Alinsky community organizing?


15 posted on 02/06/2017 6:55:06 PM PST by ProgressingAmerica (We cannot leave history to "the historians" anymore.)
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I think Alexander the great took reporters along with him to send news back to Macedonia and Greece. Don’t know if they made stuff up tho.

I bet they did. There is nothing new under the sun. We are not smarter, nor dumber than the people that stumbled out of the garden of Eden.

16 posted on 02/06/2017 7:05:30 PM PST by FreeAtlanta (what a mess we got ourselves into)
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Fake News was alive and well in the eighteenth century.


17 posted on 02/06/2017 7:13:09 PM PST by MrEdd (MrEdd)
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Walter Cronkite or the teamsters union?


18 posted on 02/06/2017 7:14:15 PM PST by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God Bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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The New York “there is no starvation in the Ukraine” Times?


19 posted on 02/06/2017 7:26:27 PM PST by correctthought (Is it wrong to shoot a marxist/anarchist?)
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There was that time when Cain(?) dressed up in animal fur to trick his dad into giving him the birthright from his brother Able. I’m guessing it was news to the dad when he found out.


20 posted on 02/06/2017 7:30:40 PM PST by 21twelve (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2185147/posts FDR's New Deal = obama)
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