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To: calenel

Could anyone that has studied that era of history explain where “fascism” came from, how Hitler came to be called one, and how the term ‘fascist’ came to be considered “right-wing?”


6 posted on 02/04/2017 1:57:50 PM PST by wastedyears (President of the United States Donald J. Trump)
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To: wastedyears
and how the term ‘fascist’ came to be considered “right-wing?”

That part is easy. Hitler = bad. Hitler = fascist. Therefore fascist = bad.

Right wing = bad. Therefore fascist = right wing. Didn't you ever take logic courses?

7 posted on 02/04/2017 2:05:56 PM PST by lafroste (Look at my profile page. Thanks.)
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To: wastedyears

Hitler and Mussolini were nationalists, which was considered to right of international communists.


10 posted on 02/04/2017 2:13:13 PM PST by kosciusko51
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To: wastedyears

Well right off the bat I’d say I’ve been sold a bill of goods. If you had any public education in European history, you might have been too.

When I went to school, the far left was communism and the far right was fascism. This construct is TOTALLY off. First of all although we say right and left, it is based on where people sat in parliament and to a Brit a conservative isn’t what it is here. It is like Red State Blue State. If anything the libs should be RED. But what does matter is degree of totalitarianism.

At one end you have people who believe in no rules at all. This is anarchy. Pure democracy is pretty close because it is mob rule.

Then you have people who believe in limited government. This is representative government. This laissez-faire approach which came from France influenced Adam Smith “The Father of Economics” who wrote the “Wealth of Nations” in 1776.

Then you have degrees of more and more government. Remember NAZI stood for National SOCIALISTS so they are exactly the same as Communists which a ethnic group ruling the world vs. a political party ruling everyone. The idea that Nazi’s are somehow right wing or associated with conservatism is totally a lie, sort of like Schumer’s and Pelosi’s tears.


21 posted on 02/04/2017 2:42:11 PM PST by ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton (Go Egypt on 0bama)
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To: wastedyears

“and how the term ‘fascist’ came to be considered “right-wing?””

You can thank Committed Socialist William Shirer, and his book “History of the Third Reich” for that. National Socialism and Communism were two competing ideologies sharing the same space.

Shirer and other true-believer Socialist Journalists of the era couldn’t allow Communism to be compared to Nazism. In fact, US Journalists like Shirer were vehemently Anti-War. Right up until they got news of the Invasion of the Soviet Union, then they became the biggest war hawks in America.


24 posted on 02/04/2017 2:56:38 PM PST by tcrlaf (They told me it could never happen in America. And then it did....)
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To: wastedyears

“Fascism” was quite a popular political philosophy prior to WWII, having been defined by Mussolini decades before. There were a great many advocates of it even in the US in that era. The term comes from the fasces, the symbol of Roman Imperial authority, a bundle of sticks tied together. This ancient symbol even appears in the chambers of our Supreme Court, and a modified version still appears on the obverse of our dime coins, as it was a symbol for the authority of government, even before Mussolini appropriated it.

The fascists adopted it because their primary principle was to give more and more power to a centralized government, believing, like the “progressives”, that only a strong central government could solve social and economic problems. Such a philosophy is intrinsically opposed to ideas like free market capitalism, but naturally complements ideas like the command economy of socialism or communism, so fascists always lean to the left of the spectrum of economic policy.

The reason they became known as “right wing” was simply propaganda from the Soviets after the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact broke down and Hitler invaded Russia. Technically, they were to the “right” of the Soviets, even though they are always to the “left” of capitalist, democratic countries. Yet, if you repeat propaganda loud enough and long enough, it becomes accepted as truth by most people too lazy to do their own research.


26 posted on 02/04/2017 3:08:15 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: wastedyears
Excellent questions. I did study history extensively. With also a duel emphasis in sociology/psychology. Which in essence is part of the arena that these questions are explored on a deeper level. Which I would encourage. Although I can't recommend a source for the excellent questions you asked. I do know historically there is literature that would very simple state clear answers to these questions. Yet around the 60's that body of work began to be leftist centric increasingly so. But a great and interesting resource for the deeper psycho/sociological analysis of these questions especially regarding totalitarianism is fascinating. He has had several book and essay on the subject. Yet I can not find the very large book in which I was first exposed to his analysis.

But for the pure and simple answers to your questions I would think a nice dig into Google might produce some decent info and possibly historic resources. As mentioned most everything now is tainted with liberalism. So be wary there.

32 posted on 02/04/2017 4:42:52 PM PST by GOP Poet
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To: wastedyears

Oops. Forgot to mention the HE I recommended was Bruno Bettleheim.


33 posted on 02/04/2017 4:44:06 PM PST by GOP Poet
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