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To: DiogenesLamp
Your argument is with the writer and signers of the Declaration of Independence, not with me.

They are the ones that wrote and signed

- Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes

- To prove [Tyranny over these States], let Facts be submitted to a candid world.

171 posted on 02/23/2017 3:25:20 PM PST by Jim W N
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To: Jim 0216
Your argument is with the writer and signers of the Declaration of Independence, not with me.

No, they agree with me. I've read plenty of their writings, and certainly enough to know that the "grievances" was an effort to secure support in Europe. The founders themselves would have asserted the right to self government no matter what the King had done.

Read freaking James Otis, the many who is credited more than all others for triggering US Independence.

I suspect I am wasting my time. I suspect that your next message will be another iteration of "the founders agree with me!" followed by another iteration of the text you keep quoting.

James Otis goes straight to the point in his "The Rights of the British Colonists Asserted and Proved", but I suspect you will not read Otis, nor will you read Rutherford, nor will you read anything else I submit which blatantly contradicts your wrong headed idea.

As I said before, you simply want your own world view, and facts be D@mned.

172 posted on 02/23/2017 3:41:29 PM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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