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Chargers shouldn't look for a welcome wagon in L.A.
LA Times ^ | January 11, 2017 | Bill Plaschke

Posted on 01/12/2017 12:17:54 PM PST by C19fan

Eery relationship is built on honesty, so the San Diego Chargers should hear this as their moving vans are chugging up the 5 Freeway on their noble mission of greed.

We. Don’t. Want. You.

The news broke Wednesday that Chargers owner Dean Spanos has informed NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell he is moving the team to Los Angeles, which is pretty much dreadful news for Los Angeles.

(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...


TOPICS: Sports
KEYWORDS: chargers; football; la; losangeles; losangeleschargers; nfl; sandiego; sandiegochargers; sports
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To: dfwgator

It’s the GMs job, but the coach has to live with the results, and work with them, too. The lack of continuity from one year to the next makes it almost impossible to build chemistry on a team.


61 posted on 01/12/2017 1:50:15 PM PST by Alberta's Child ("Yo, bartender -- Jobu needs a refill!")
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To: Kid Shelleen
I think Spanos just wants to park his team in LA until he can scam some unlucky city into a stadium deal.

Spanos is going to have to come up with a $550 million dollar relocation fee for the privilege of moving to LA. He's planning to be there for a long, long time.

If he really wanted to stay in SD, I have to believe that $550 million could have gone a long way toward a new stadium.
62 posted on 01/12/2017 1:53:00 PM PST by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: ArmstedFragg
Don Coryell wasn’t bad though, and his college staff included John Madden and Joe Gibbs.

Not bad? Don Coryell was an offensive genius - his coaching tree reaches down to the current day.
63 posted on 01/12/2017 1:54:11 PM PST by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: Alberta's Child
It’s the GMs job, but the coach has to live with the results, and work with them, too. The lack of continuity from one year to the next makes it almost impossible to build chemistry on a team.

I think that's also another factor in the falling NFL TV ratings.

64 posted on 01/12/2017 1:56:54 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: major_gaff

Tom Coughlin, Pete Carroll, Jim Harbaugh & Barry Switzer.


65 posted on 01/12/2017 2:00:15 PM PST by yuleeyahoo (Those are my principles, and if you do not like them...well I have others. - Groucho Marx)
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To: dfwgator

Right. I’ve been saying that for years.


66 posted on 01/12/2017 2:49:09 PM PST by Alberta's Child ("Yo, bartender -- Jobu needs a refill!")
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To: Alberta's Child
"He does a good job posting numbers"

Nate Silver does not crunch numbers. He doesn't do it well. He was lucky once getting like 49 out 50 states. He missed everything this year -- NBA, NCAA, Election. He wrote a 2015 article how Trump would never be President.

67 posted on 01/12/2017 3:26:36 PM PST by The Truth Will Make You Free
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To: KC_Lion

An AFL franchise cost $25,000 to start.


68 posted on 01/12/2017 3:46:22 PM PST by GOPsterinMA (I'm with Steve McQueen: I live my life for myself and answer to nobody.)
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To: The Truth Will Make You Free

He wrote a 2015 article how Trump would never be President.


After going 49 for 50, I believe he then went 50 for 50.

He also ate his words well before the election, and while he did not have Trump as a favorite, gave him much better odds than any of the other mainstream pundits. He has also continued analysis after the election on why the prognosis fell short.


69 posted on 01/12/2017 3:51:07 PM PST by Hieronymus ( (It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged. --G. K. Chesterton))
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To: Alberta's Child

I think his analysis is more along the lines of calculating hockey fervour in an area via google searches, multiplying a resulting percentage by the population of the area, and coming up with a realistic potential fan base.

That said, your way of recommending things also seem sound. Living just shy of Ontario’s “Near North” region, it doesn’t suprise me much that Thunder Bay As the song says, “What’s a Canadian farm boy to do?”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUb0C0iI_GE


70 posted on 01/12/2017 3:55:20 PM PST by Hieronymus ( (It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged. --G. K. Chesterton))
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To: The Truth Will Make You Free

He crunched a whole lot of numbers in that article, and it looks pretty good to me.


71 posted on 01/12/2017 4:09:24 PM PST by Alberta's Child ("Yo, bartender -- Jobu needs a refill!")
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To: Hieronymus
Oh, I wasn't recommending an NHL franchise for Thunder Bay at all. LOL.

The only flaw with an analysis of "hockey fervor" is that it overlooks what had been part of the NHL's strategy since the early 1990s in developing a national TV audience. Once you have television involved, business decisions based on TV ratings drive sports enterprises to use a whole different set of parameters to measure their business prospects. In the case of the mid-1990s move of the Winnipeg Jets, the NHL decided that a Phoenix metro area with 25,000 hockey fans among 2.7 million people was more valuable than a Winnipeg market with 400,000 hockey fans among 600,000 people. With TV audiences and potential TV audiences (i.e., "casual fans") in the mix, the decision to relocate the Jets to Arizona was based on the denominators in those fractions (2.7 million vs. 600,000), not the numerators (25,000 vs. 400,000).

72 posted on 01/12/2017 4:15:23 PM PST by Alberta's Child ("Yo, bartender -- Jobu needs a refill!")
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To: Alberta's Child

May this model prove as profitable in Vegas as it has in Phoenix.


73 posted on 01/12/2017 4:37:18 PM PST by Hieronymus ( (It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged. --G. K. Chesterton))
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To: Alberta's Child


"I think there are a lot of shysters in Florida."
74 posted on 01/12/2017 4:46:10 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: Hieronymus
I agree with you. LOL.

If it were up to me, hockey would resign itself to a second-tier status as a regional sport, with 12-16 franchises in the northeastern U.S., Midwest, and Canada.

In rough order of priority, I would break the teams into two groups as listed below. The first group of 12 would be the "definite" NHL teams, while the second group of 8 all seem to be viable NHL markets but may not be able to maintain a strong fan base in losing seasons.

Group #1
1. Toronto
2. Montreal
3. New York
4. Detroit
5. Boston
6. Chicago
7. Philadelphia
8. Vancouver
9. Edmonton
10. Calgary
11. Minnesota
12. Buffalo (may belong in the Bottom 8 due to the metro area size, but this can be combined with Hamilton into a single franchise)

Group #2
13. Los Angeles (could be in the Top 12 except for their remote geographic location)
14. Washington
15. Pittsburgh
16. Ottawa
17. Winnipeg
18. St. Louis
19. Denver
20. Hamilton (in place of Buffalo) or Quebec City

If we were to go with a 16-team league with all of Group #1 and four of the top five teams in Group #2 (let's leave Los Angeles out of the mix for the sake of this discussion and go with Winnipeg instead), this consolidated NHL could have four divisions of four teams each:

Northeast ("the AMTRAK Division")
New York
Boston
Philadelphia
Washington

Canada East ("the Founders Division")
Toronto
Montreal
Buffalo/Hamilton
Ottawa

Central ("the Rust Belt Division")
Detroit
Chicago
Minnesota
Pittsburgh

Canada West ("the Frontier Division")
Vancouver
Edmonton
Calgary
Winnipeg

75 posted on 01/12/2017 5:03:28 PM PST by Alberta's Child ("Yo, bartender -- Jobu needs a refill!")
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To: C19fan

As a San Diego resident for over 25 years (and not necessarily a football fan - prefer baseball), and I noticed something happening after San Diego built a brand new stadium for the San Diego Padres. The Padres fan base is a great deal larger than the football fans.

But, what I wanted to point out is that I have always noticed a snarky-sniping tone from staff and players, as well as fans whenever anybody mentions the Padres stadium.

The Chargers first plan called for building the new football stadium adjacent to the Padres Stadium; and would call for destroying a recent new business - brewing beer. And, the plans to build a new bus storage area - with a larger maintenance area. But, this seemed to be the only place the Chargers wanted to re-locate (from Mission Valley).

The City and County officials tried to steer them to another location; didn’t work. There is already a stadium on Mission Valley where the Chargers would have been playing this season (while their new stadium was built. However, the citizens of San Diego would not vote for an increased hotel tax in order to pay for the stadium.

And .. the whole time I’m watching the back and forth with (especially our Mayor), I kept noticing that the owner of the Chargers NEVER SMILED. I kept getting the impression that he EXPECTED THE CITY/COUNTY OF SAN DIEGO TO BUILD THEM A NEW STADIUM (without any major cost to the Chargers) ..??

And, the more I thought about that, the more I kept saying, well, if the Chargers were winning a lot more games and even winning playoff games on a regular basis; maybe then, the City and County would have been willing to foot more of the bill.

Nobody has to agree with me, I’m just stating my opinion.


76 posted on 01/12/2017 5:16:17 PM PST by CyberAnt (Peace through Strength)
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To: KC_Lion

All I know is John of John and Ken is excited. He grew up loving the Chargers. I’m kind of blank about it, but I do wonder if there will be a deal to get season tickets like the Rams had.


77 posted on 01/12/2017 5:53:33 PM PST by Yaelle
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To: Alberta's Child

Would you switch to an 8-team playoff foremat

I’’m in Ottawa’s catchment—I’d put the team in Quebec City Instead. I’d also stick with Buffalo, but consider moving the Red Wings South to Windsor. Get them out of the 3rd world.


78 posted on 01/12/2017 7:42:25 PM PST by Hieronymus ( (It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged. --G. K. Chesterton))
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To: JacksonCalhoun

Right, the Colorado Rockies, who had started out as the Kansas City Scouts and then moved to Colorado and on to New Jersey, where they became the Devils.

The baseball team took the Rockies name, meaning that when Denver returned to the NHL (the former Quebec Nordiques), they became the Avalanche.


79 posted on 01/12/2017 8:12:48 PM PST by TBP (0bama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: Buckeye Battle Cry

Before that, they had the Mohawks.

Interesting that neither Cincinnati nor Cleveland has NHL hockey, but Columbus does.


80 posted on 01/12/2017 8:15:13 PM PST by TBP (0bama lies, Granny dies.)
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