Thanks to conservatism_IS_compassion for the ping!!
Posted on 12/15/2016 5:05:04 AM PST by eastexsteve
A word of warning from a retired IT guy with vast experience in multi-platforms. The latest Windows 10 cumulative update dated 12/13 (KB3206632) has proven to be the death of of my Dell Dual Core 780 desktop. I should have heeded the warning signs from the last two big Win 10 updates on this box, as they were troublesome to install, and brought the machine to it's knees both times. But, I was still able to get the machine through the installs both times. This one though, put the machine face down in the mud, and I couldn't even recover it from a previous restore point. I had to do a complete reset and lost everything! Since it was a machine that began with Win 7, that means it cleaned it's clock all the way back to fresh install of Win 7. (Though, I did have a backup of all my data.) Well needless to say, I'll be spending hours re-installing and re-configuring software packages.
I've tried to be a big fan of Windows, since I have software that doesn't have a sister version for Unix/Linux and must run in Windows. And, I can definitely tell that Win 10 is more robust than Win 7. But, This has sent me on another quest to find a Linux replacement for some specialized software that I use.
This has definitely put me in the "If it absolutely positively has to work, don't do it on a Windows box" camp of computer users. Sorry Microsoft. I tried, and I tried hard.
My laptop is several years old, maybe six years. When it updated, there were often as many as thirty updates at a time. The last time I let it update, the computer was hung up for about three hours, before I stopped the updates.
At that time I turned off the automatic updates. I will buy a new laptop before I let it update again.
Pint . . . I mean, Ping!
I suspect it's the legacy BIOS boot sequence. I don't know what the problem actually was, as I have solid instances of Win 10 running on lesser and older machines than this. But, suffice to say, most users have machines older than three or four years, and don't utilize RAID/mirror arrays and on-call IT personnel. They have one box/laptop, and they should expect to be able to tun it on and do what they need to do without hassle. If Windows can't handle this, then it's time to finally wean myself off of Windows.
My computer man said he could re install Win 7. Last week my computer broke: not connect to Internet. So I am taking it in to get all these problems fixed.
You can also go into the update settings and tell it to not DL the updates, but just tell you they are available, or tell it to DL the updates but not install them. That's what I did. But, it didn't help. I triggered the update so I could monitor it. When it went to restart, it never came back up.
The 780 I have waiting to be surplussed was built in 2011. That’s a 6 year-old machine.
Which reminds me. I need to wipe the drive
The forced upgrade stuff can be turned off thru admin service and switched to manual..
Your reply is idiotic... I’m running on a machine 5 years prior to a “core2duo” and am running fine with w7 only because Vista Business took a dump on me and couldn’t be recovered. Even the slowest desktop from 10 years ago is hundreds of times more powerful than mainframes were back in the 1980’s ,, and I ran 10,000 IMS v1.1 users with sub 1 second response times on a 3031AP with 1mb of ram and MVS/Jes2/tcam ... It isn’t the hardware that’s the problem ,,, it’s that software will always be written quick and dirty and allowed to hog resources up to the point that it uses 100% of the machine.
Stop blaming users not adapting to the latest version of Microsofts horribly written bloatware.
That’s good info about Edge, thanks.
I dumped Edge as soon as I saw it. It didn’t have the old Internet Explorer features I had grown accustomed to. The interface looked more like Chrome than IE, and my wife and youngest son had been using Chrome for awhile so I knew how stable it was (and some of its idiosyncrasies, but I digress).
I switched over to Chrome, and for 99% of the time, it has no problems. Works like a charm.
Not happy with Windows 10’s interface, and I don’t want to install a third party thing (classic shell?) to fix it.
Last update did give a nasty memory reference error on computer shutdown. Happened on two computers I have, a desktop (self-built) and a laptop (Dell Latitude). The error was not a showstopper, but I didn’t like it.
I have 64 bit machines older than this running Win 10. The issue is that Microsoft is sloppy when it comes to releasing its updates.
UPDATE - I think the problem lies with the Security Essentials update authored on 11/29 that is part of the cumulative update package released on 12/13. I isolated it out of the cumulative update package that was having trouble installing on another machine, and everything worked smoothly. Just more Microsoft sloppiness.
One of the recent updates changed security settings on files and made them inaccessible. It involved files coming from the web. A great security feature unless you receive Excel files from an intranet reporting tool.
I can't get this package to run in WINE (yet.) But, at least it doesn't destroy the entire Linux OS when it crashes.
I'm not exactly a computer savant. Never did that before. When I find a laptop is getting sclerotic I buy another and entomb the old one in a closet. I have many closets :)
I HATE Windows 10. This forced update stuff is just horrible—it breaks something every time. It used to break OneDrive after every update
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It’s intentional. Microsoft loves to change and enforce new software interface rules randomly just to screw with other software companies...
Thanks to conservatism_IS_compassion for the ping!!
You’ve restored to Win 7. Why not just stay there? Win 7 is a fantastic OS. And it’s not nosey.
I have a couple of machines running 10 and Classic Shell (I was an early convert during the Vista days), but I have gotten used to the Win-10 start menu.
The first thing I do is dump all the icons that come with Windows. Then I add icons from the most-used programs (depending on the machine since I have different machines for different purposes).
Of course the first thing I do when setting up a Win-10 box is to install Spybot Anti-Beacon (https://forums.spybot.info/downloads.php?id=58) to kill most of the built-in spyware, and then turn on metered networking to block Microsoft updates.
I was forced to get windows 10. I have no control over updates. I have no idea how to stop them. Then my computer restarts without my knowledge or consent, any open documents are gone and all windows open are gone.
Have any ideas what to do?
PS. I am a techtard.
Before you take it to the mechanic take a look at this thread: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3504756/posts
It outlines a Microsoft update that broke networking on several machines. If you have a way of downloading the update fix (warning: it’s over 500meg!) you can get it here: http://www.catalog.update.microsoft.com/Search.aspx?q=KB3206632 and save yourself some scratch.
With Win10, only Enterprise-level licensing (read: big company + $$$) is able to somewhat control the automatic updates, e.g. delay for a few months. But they get installed eventually. Those of us with mere-mortal licenses are screwed. With some tweaking, one can avoid the updates for a short time on Pro-level licenses, but they eventually get installed whether you like it or not. With a Home-level license, you're bent over the barrel and taking whatever Microsoft shoves your way. "Squeal like a pig!"
> PS. I am a techtard.
Actually in this circumstance, even the "gurus" among us are in similar straits. The only for-sure way to avoid Windows 10 updates is to avoid Windows 10, or never ever connect the computer to the internet. Sorry...
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