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Jill Stein Filing Not Valid
Statutes of WI and US | 11/27/16 | Self

Posted on 11/27/2016 8:02:49 PM PST by NowApproachingMidnight

Wisconsin State law states: When a filing fee is required, the cost of the recount should be estimated by the clerk and pre-paid by the petitioner in cash or in another form of payment acceptable to the filing officer at the time of filing. Wis. Stat. § 9.01(1)(ag)3. Note: the amount must be PRE-PAID IN FULL BEFORE FILING, and FILING DEADLINE WAS FRIDAY. The WISCONSIN ELECTION COMMISSION CANNOT CHANGE THE DATE of PREPAYMENT Under Federal law, 3 U.S.C. § 5.


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KEYWORDS: 2016recount; election; hillary; mathsucks; realitysucks; recount; stein; trump; vanitiessuck; wi2016; wisconsin
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To: stylin19a

“Trump could question the ambiguity in court ( kill time ).
Get an injunction to stop any recount until the ambiguity is cleared.”

He should pull a page out of the totally predictable playbook of the left and find a surrogate to file an injunction. I’m sure with a little thought they can come up with someone with standing that can do this, and he can just watch from the sidelines.


21 posted on 11/27/2016 8:40:48 PM PST by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: calljack

It doesn’t make sense to require fee prìor to filing since the estimate is not made till after the filing.


22 posted on 11/27/2016 8:45:13 PM PST by TexasGator
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To: NowApproachingMidnight

link: https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/5f8gr8/jill_stein_filing_possibly_not_valid/


23 posted on 11/27/2016 8:46:38 PM PST by NowApproachingMidnight (Civilizations die from suicide, not murder.)
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To: NowApproachingMidnight

The Donald did not create WI law regarding recounts.


24 posted on 11/27/2016 8:46:57 PM PST by Secret Agent Man ( Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: stylin19a; All

There is no ambiguiuty.

She files the petition.

At that time, they then calculate an estimated fee. Not days later. At that time. Like while still at the office after they have handed in the petition.

Then, after they are told what the fee will be, then they have to pay it, then and there.

There is ZERO ambiguity. They simply desire there to be ambiguity.


25 posted on 11/27/2016 8:49:06 PM PST by Secret Agent Man ( Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

Read the statute here: https://docs.legis.wisconsin.gov/statutes/statutes/9/01


26 posted on 11/27/2016 8:49:39 PM PST by NowApproachingMidnight (Civilizations die from suicide, not murder.)
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To: WENDLE

“Great research. This is over. Trump team is all over this quick”.

Really? How?


27 posted on 11/27/2016 8:54:46 PM PST by heights
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To: dsm69

Self Ping


28 posted on 11/27/2016 8:55:37 PM PST by dsm69 (Boycott News Media/Hollywood Advertisers)
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To: NowApproachingMidnight

All they need to do is find a friendly federal judge that will allow the recount to proceed. An emergency call to the Supreme court will likely end up 4-4 which will remand the case to the lower court.


29 posted on 11/27/2016 9:01:06 PM PST by Pilgrim's Progress (http://www.baptistbiblebelievers.com/BYTOPICS/tabid/335/Default.aspx D)
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To: NowApproachingMidnight

He knows this?


30 posted on 11/27/2016 9:07:58 PM PST by Freedom of Speech Wins
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To: Karl Spooner

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3498988/posts?page=23#23


31 posted on 11/27/2016 9:11:48 PM PST by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57, returning after lurking since 2000)
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>> pre-paid by the petitioner

Coordination.


32 posted on 11/27/2016 9:12:31 PM PST by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: Sasparilla

That is how I see this. a liberal judge will over look the statute because they were not a republican


33 posted on 11/27/2016 9:17:39 PM PST by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric Cartman voice* 'I love you, guys')
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To: ClearCase_guy
Rules in Wisconsin?

<Insert uproarious laughter graphic here>

34 posted on 11/27/2016 9:20:30 PM PST by Dr.Deth
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To: NowApproachingMidnight
From elections.wi.gov/node/4439 web site:

This is the .gov site:

"Monday, November 28: Cost estimates and vote tabulation method provided by county clerk to WEC by noon. WEC provides estimated statewide costs to both the Stein and De La Fuente campaigns by close of business.

Tuesday, November 29: Stein and/or De La Fuente campaign submits payment to WEC. Once full payment is received by either campaign, the WEC will issue a recount order to all presidential candidates."

35 posted on 11/27/2016 9:27:21 PM PST by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric Cartman voice* 'I love you, guys')
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To: stylin19a
The Wisconsin Recount Statuets are not ambiguous, they describe a process. There is no ambiguity on the recount law. The two statuetes must be read not as conflicting conflicting law but as individual studs that must work in harmony when read together. to harmonize contents of the two laws.

In this case, it is clear that the petition must be submitted, completed and paid for and filed before the Recount Petition Filing Deadline passes.

For a legitimate recount, the petition should have been filed weeks ago which would have given time to calculate the cost before the petition was accepted.

The process should have been to submit the petition in timely fashion, calculate the costs and then have the payment paid in full at the time the petition was accepted.

The petition recount process is a process.

The process is to submit your petition, calculate the recount costs and then pay the total recount fee upfront before the petition filing is accepted as officially filed .

The petition must be officially be filed and paid in full before the final filing deadline has passed.

The law is very clear on this, the total cost for the recount must paid at the time the petition is formally filed for the recount to go forward. .

Springing a spurious demand for a recount on the day of the deadline and not paying the fee because there is no time to calculate the cost for the recount is a deliberate, bad faith attempt to circumvent the law and initiate a recount without paying the up from fee, as is required by law.

Especially since the vote totals are not close enough to provide justification for the recount and there are absolutely no indications of any irregularities

In other words, it's a dirty trick that may end up disenfranchising voters

It also means a full week delay in the recount process in a critical, time sensitive process which could potentially disenfranchise Wisconsin voters if the count cannot be completed in time for the Dec 13 deadline ( which is actually the probable goal of the recount in the list place)

The fact that Jill Stein filed a bogus, unwarranted recount petition at the late hour of the day of the final deadline which did not give the State time to provide a cost for payment so the Recount Petition Cost be paid in full before the filing deadline is her problem, not ours and the petition should be rejected.

Waiting until the last moment has deprived the Trump Campaign of filing similar recount petitions of their own because Stein has run out the clock on many filing deadlines by waiting till the absolute last day to file their recount petitions so this late filing is matter of strategy to harm Donald Trump Campaign and overturn a legitimate election result.

Notice also that the State of Michigan has already went through a total vote recount process already so Stein is demanding a SECOND recount in Michigan. .

36 posted on 11/27/2016 9:28:13 PM PST by rdcbn ("There is no means of avoiding a final collapse of a boom brought about by credit expansion. The alt)
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To: NowApproachingMidnight

Beating SHitlerey’s dead stalking horsee for the final time ...


37 posted on 11/27/2016 9:36:00 PM PST by VRWC For Truth (FU Schmuckie Shoomer)
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To: rdcbn
It also means a full week delay in the recount process in a critical, time sensitive process which could potentially disenfranchise Wisconsin voters if the count cannot be completed in time for the Dec 13 deadline.

I have not been able to find confirmation that failure to complete a recount would jeopardize WI electoral votes. I would think the burden is on the ones doing the recount to complete it before the deadline.

Have you seen any statutes that say otherwise?

38 posted on 11/27/2016 9:40:14 PM PST by Ken H (Best election ever!)
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To: Ken H

I have not been able to find confirmation that failure to complete a recount would jeopardize WI electoral votes. I would think the burden is on the ones doing the recount to complete it before the deadline.

Have you seen any statutes that say otherwise?


This is Hilary Clinton and the Democrats we are talking about.

They are going to cherry pick judges and make it up as they go.


39 posted on 11/27/2016 9:51:29 PM PST by rdcbn ("There is no means of avoiding a final collapse of a boom brought about by credit expansion. The alt)
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To: Ken H

https://www.archives.gov/federal-register/electoral-college/key-dates.html
https://www.archives.gov/federal-register/electoral-college/resources/2016-key-dates.pdf

The 2nd link makes no reference to 12/13 but states that the designated officials (Archivist/President of the Senate, others) must have the electoral votes “in hand” by 12/28.

The first link does state what’s to be done on 12/13/16:

December 13, 2016

States must make final decisions in any controversies over the appointment of their electors at least six days before the meeting of the Electors. This is so their electoral votes will be presumed valid when presented to Congress.

Decisions by states’ courts are conclusive, if decided under laws enacted before Election Day.


40 posted on 11/27/2016 10:12:39 PM PST by EDINVA
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