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120 Years Ago: CAUSE OF ENGLAND'S APATHY- Why She Will Not Stop Turkish Massacre of Christians
Library of Congress ^ | Tuesday Sept 22, 1896 | New York Tribune

Posted on 09/22/2016 3:50:39 PM PDT by NRx

A (mostly) daily posting for those interested in history and the day to day news, politics and culture of a bygone world; the full edition of the New York Tribune from today's date in 1896 (digitized).

(Excerpt) Read more at chroniclingamerica.loc.gov ...


TOPICS: History
KEYWORDS: 1896; dervish; dervishes; dongola; egypt; turkey
http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn83030214/1896-09-22/ed-1/seq-3/image_681x382_from_4061,3614_to_5160,4232.jpg
1 posted on 09/22/2016 3:50:39 PM PDT by NRx
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To: Mr. K; warsaw44; Entropy Squared; ADemocratNoMore; Nea Wood; Lee Enfield; ColdOne; GOPJ; ...

If you want on or off the ping list for the daily newspaper from 120 years ago, drop me a line, either here or by FReep mail. The rate is 23 cents per week (3 cents for the dailies and a nickel for Sunday).


2 posted on 09/22/2016 3:51:13 PM PDT by NRx (A man of integrity passes his father's civilization to his son, without selling it off to strangers.)
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To: NRx

and we expect their descendants to suddenly find a backbone and do it any differently...


3 posted on 09/22/2016 3:55:45 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Tennessee Nana
The West has a difficult time comprehending Islam.

It is outside of our understanding of the way men operate.

It is cowardly and devious. It abuses women and children.

It is simply out of the reach of our approach to and understanding of life.

There is nothing in nature which mirrors Islam.

It is Satanic and anti-life.

4 posted on 09/22/2016 4:03:31 PM PDT by RoosterRedux (Einstein: I live in that solitude which is painful in youth, but delicious in the years of maturity)
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To: Tennessee Nana

I am not sure the comparison is a fair one. In 1896 Britain ruled 1/4 of the known world and was actively suppressing an Islamist revolt in Egypt. Turkey was a major power at the time and any attack on her might have meant war with other major European powers. In 1896 Britain was still pursuing its policy of “splendid isolation” and refusing to get directly involved in the power politics of the continental empires. It would have been extremely dangerous to risk war with the Turks and possibly the German/Austrian Empires at the same time with no allies for support.


5 posted on 09/22/2016 4:21:45 PM PDT by NRx (A man of integrity passes his father's civilization to his son, without selling it off to strangers.)
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To: RoosterRedux; little jeremiah; Candor7
Allow me to introduce you to Mr T. M Doughty, venerable English Gentleman author of Travels in Arabia Deserta, a work in two volumes by a man who spent many years travelling throughout the towns and deserts living both in the towns and with the tent dwellers:

First published by Cambridge University Press in 1888, the third edition which I have, includes an introduction by T.E. Lawrence.

Read this work if you want to try to understand what makes an arab. The pityless, lifeless stretches of burning sand, the enternal quest for a drop of water, the countless square miles of lava flows which neither man nor beast can cross. The survival strategies which first and foremost rely upon raids of neighbouring tribes, stripping them of all their goods, women and animals...and leaving those still alive to die of thirst in the desert...the shifting tribal allegiances, the permanent fear of each other, the value of the camels to their existence, whose milk they drink and from which they make butter, whose urine with which they wash their hair...and cleanse wounds, and above all else, their utter apathetic reliance upon inshalla for if allah had wanted them to rebuild the irrigation channels and the wells evident from a pervious culture he would have given them instructions. As allah didn't, they just let the women work and sit around all day drinking coffee, swapping stories of their greatness, and magnifying every legend a thousandfold.

Read the book. I have read it for the third time now. The arab no longer holds any secrets from me. I understand him perfectly. He is what he always was, a parasite surviving in an inhospitable environment as only a parasite can, by robbing and destroying the lives of others. The arab is mohammad and mohammad is the arab.

The arab is Amalek.

6 posted on 09/22/2016 5:41:17 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum!)
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To: NRx

They still called it “Constantinople.”

Impressive.


7 posted on 09/22/2016 6:30:42 PM PDT by PGR88
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To: NRx
For the record it is worthwhile to mention one of the greatest victories of the British Army. It was indeed General Kitchener who painstakingly waited while a railway line was constructed. This was from Egypt to the Sudan. The Dervish (forces of Islam) had killed Lord Gordon at Khartoum. They had chased the Egyptian army out of the Sudan. They had massacred six British Officers and thousands of Egyptian troops in 1883. The intention was to retake the Sudan.

!898, the railway completed and the British gunboats coming down the Nile. The big standoff, at Omdurman. 20,000 fanatic Dervish horsemen ready to die for Allah. Facing the British troops plus an Egyptian brigade, also the Black African Sudanese soldiers.

The Maxim, the Gatlin and Gardener machine guns at the ready. All American manufacture. Absolute slaughter. The Mahdi, their leader and also a prophet, slain with his counsellors. 11,000 horsemen sent to Allah. After the battle, Lord Kitchener stepped into a dreaded prison and ordered the release of the prisoners. Charles Neufeld was one , an Austrian captured when Gordon was killed.

Excuse the history. Possibly the last time the forces of Islam came out in the open field.

8 posted on 09/22/2016 6:42:22 PM PDT by Peter Libra
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To: RoosterRedux

I am of the West, and I for one have no real problem understanding Islam: It is the natural endpoint of the depravity of Man:

“Therefore let anyone who thinks that he stands take heed lest he fall.” - I Corinthians 10:12

Man is not basically good. The best way to be good (in practical, rather than spiritual, terms) is to recognize one’s potential for evil, and then consciously choose a better, higher path.

Islam is indeed Satanic, and Satan is the god of this world. It should therefore be no surprise when his own act out his will.

As one who has been in the ministry, I grieve when people damage and destroy the lives of others, but I am seldom shocked in the sense of being surprised.


9 posted on 09/22/2016 6:51:32 PM PDT by YogicCowboy ("I am not entirely on anyone's side, because no one is entirely on mine." - JRRT)
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To: PGR88

Ataturk changed it to Istanbul.


10 posted on 09/22/2016 6:53:36 PM PDT by MUDDOG
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To: NRx
If interested....there exists a searchable online newspaper archive for publications in the state of New York...http://nyshistoricnewspapers.org

For instance, selecting one county and searching the term "dervish" by date presents these results

11 posted on 09/22/2016 7:30:52 PM PDT by wtd
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To: Fred Nerks

Many thanks - maybe in a couple of days I’ll have time to read these fascinating comments you ping me to, very grateful for them.


12 posted on 09/22/2016 9:26:32 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Half the truth is often a great lie. B. Franklin)
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To: Fred Nerks

Thx for that, Freddie. Will check it out.


13 posted on 09/23/2016 2:14:59 AM PDT by RoosterRedux (Einstein: I live in that solitude which is painful in youth, but delicious in the years of maturity)
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To: RoosterRedux

Two books you may find interesting, if you haven’t read them:

By Allan Moorehead:

1. THE BLUE NILE
2. THE WHITE NILE.

both with sketches, photographs and maps.


14 posted on 09/23/2016 6:06:19 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum!)
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To: RoosterRedux

some REVIEWS:

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/618802.The_Blue_Nile


15 posted on 09/23/2016 6:24:31 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum!)
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