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Ship found in Arctic 168 years after doomed Northwest Passage attempt
The Guardian ^ | Sept 12, 2016 | Paul Watson in Vancouver

Posted on 09/12/2016 3:38:51 PM PDT by Islander7

The long-lost ship of British polar explorer Sir John Franklin, HMS Terror, has been found in pristine condition at the bottom of an Arctic bay, researchers have said, in a discovery that challenges the accepted history behind one of polar exploration’s deepest mysteries.

HMS Terror and Franklin’s flagship, HMS Erebus, were abandoned in heavy sea ice far to the north of the eventual wreck site in 1848, during the Royal Navy explorer’s doomed attempt to complete the Northwest Passage.

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TOPICS: Chit/Chat; History
KEYWORDS: british; canada; erebus; franklinexpedition; globalwarming; history; hmserebus; hmsterror; johnfranklin; northwestpassage; ship; unitedkingdom
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To: miss marmelstein

Not come across that, but, Scott brought his own conditions with him.

He used ponies instead of dogs, they dressed poorly, and were psychologically unprepared for the conditions.

Amundson was much better prepared, down to planning on eating the dogs if necessary. He planned better.


21 posted on 09/12/2016 4:21:04 PM PDT by Conan the Librarian (The Best in Life is to crush my enemies, see them driven before me, and the Dewey Decimal System)
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To: Conan the Librarian

I have been obsessed for years with Artic explorers! Why, I wonder? Maybe the horror, the terror, the bravery matched with British courage and nobility and their admiration of amateurism in the classic sense.. Although, of course, I adore Shackelton as well.


22 posted on 09/12/2016 4:22:36 PM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard the Third: With my own people alone I should like to drive away the Muslims)
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To: Conan the Librarian

Please check out the revision of the revisionism - it’s interesting.

Yes, it’s very sad to read about the slaughter of those poor ponies. Undoubtedly, Scott made many mistakes.

Do you know the absolutely brilliant tv series “The Last Place on Earth,” starring Martin Shaw? About Scott and very negative towards him but wonderful television never the less.

If you don’t, I beg you to watch it.


23 posted on 09/12/2016 4:25:44 PM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard the Third: With my own people alone I should like to drive away the Muslims)
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To: Rockpile

Yes!

I can still remember as a kid being intrigued and horrified by the photos and descriptions of the poor men’s deaths.


24 posted on 09/12/2016 4:27:42 PM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard the Third: With my own people alone I should like to drive away the Muslims)
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To: miss marmelstein

I am there too!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Francis_Hall

When I was a child, there was a special on Charles Francis Hall, an American explorer who was looking for Franklin, but, ended up leading an expedition that sailed up to “almost” the Arctic ocean, going up the west coast of Greenland.

While there, he slowly sickened and died. Supposedly his last words were “How do you spell ‘Murder’?”

He was buried in the permafrost and (the point of the special) his body was found and analyzed. He had massive doses of arsenic in his system. Either he was taking some quack medicine (considered unlikely by his friends), or, he was poisoned by the ships doctor.

After that, I read what I could about Franklin, whenever I could.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Falcon_Scott

At the bottom of this article there is a discussion about the revision of Scott’s reputation.


25 posted on 09/12/2016 4:33:09 PM PDT by Conan the Librarian (The Best in Life is to crush my enemies, see them driven before me, and the Dewey Decimal System)
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To: miss marmelstein

I have the book somewhere. Most of my things are in a storage unit right now as my wife and I live on a sailboat. Not much room for things, but, I do have my copy of Arctic Grail.


26 posted on 09/12/2016 4:34:15 PM PDT by Conan the Librarian (The Best in Life is to crush my enemies, see them driven before me, and the Dewey Decimal System)
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To: miss marmelstein

I know one expedition, forget which one, in which men ate rabbits for some time. There were lots, but died because rabbits don’t have salt or something like that. I’d have to search for it, but I remember that from being a kid.

These men going off into the unknown, into a frozen hell on earth, is a good glimpse into the bravery of the times.

Compare the men then to now and then we see how things got as bad as they are.


27 posted on 09/12/2016 4:39:48 PM PDT by Bulwyf
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To: miss marmelstein

You ever see Scott of the Antarctic? Or is the Sahara?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5AmbNI0hJM


28 posted on 09/12/2016 4:40:24 PM PDT by Hillarys Gate Cult (Liberals make unrealistic demands on reality and reality doesn't oblige them.)
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To: Bulwyf

Sounds kind of like Franklin’s first arctic expedition.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coppermine_Expedition_of_1819%E2%80%9322

No one seemed to be able to hunt and there was a least one murder/cannibalism event.


29 posted on 09/12/2016 4:44:20 PM PDT by Conan the Librarian (The Best in Life is to crush my enemies, see them driven before me, and the Dewey Decimal System)
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To: miss marmelstein
In just a cursory glance, it is now being said that the lead poisoning came not from the canned foods but the water supply.

It was a brand-new fresh water distillation system, with unoxidized lead piping.

Betcha that the water tasted somewhat sweet, and "good".

30 posted on 09/12/2016 4:44:37 PM PDT by kiryandil (Hillary Clinton is not sophisticated enough to understand the Bill of Rights, either.)
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To: Bulwyf

Rabbit is not a complete protein.


31 posted on 09/12/2016 4:45:14 PM PDT by kiryandil (Hillary Clinton is not sophisticated enough to understand the Bill of Rights, either.)
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To: Conan the Librarian
Seems odd that no one thought to look for the HMS Terror in Terror Bay.

Hopefully, if you're anywhere near Terror Bay in your sailboat, you're heading south really soon.

I've been fascinated by many different episodes in history over my life. The arctic explorers chapter mostly began during a very hot summer in my home town of Detroit watching a mini-series on PBS about Amundsen. Dreaming about freezing helps when you're cooking hot!

32 posted on 09/12/2016 4:48:42 PM PDT by WhoisAlanGreenspan?
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To: WhoisAlanGreenspan?

We plan on going to Alaska and maybe Greenland in our sailing (the Capt’n wants to see icebergs), but, I want to end up in Australia.

I am also interested in Amateur Astronomy and plan on practicing that while there.

Our boat, a 36 ft Tashing Tashiba, was made for blue water sailing. It will get us anywhere we want to go.


33 posted on 09/12/2016 4:53:59 PM PDT by Conan the Librarian (The Best in Life is to crush my enemies, see them driven before me, and the Dewey Decimal System)
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To: Puppage
In one of the documentaries, a team got permission to dig and autopsy a couple of the bodies.

One big shock was that the ship's doctor had done an autopsy on at least one of the bodies. Quite a surprise on the x-ray when shadings didn't match what was expected, and after they thawed the body, they found out why. The doctor had just thrown the organs back in without regard to the original positions.

Not that the corpse, or organs, cared.

34 posted on 09/12/2016 5:09:14 PM PDT by Calvin Locke
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To: Conan the Librarian

Why did he kill poor Mrs. Chippy?


35 posted on 09/12/2016 5:13:01 PM PDT by Zirondelle ("disce aut discede")
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To: miss marmelstein

Didn’t his modern day ancestor participate in the “unburial?”


36 posted on 09/12/2016 5:14:13 PM PDT by Zirondelle ("disce aut discede")
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To: Islander7

Pretty neat find. Any ship that has been under water for that many years would not live up to my understanding of “pristine”.


37 posted on 09/12/2016 5:27:19 PM PDT by GingisK
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To: miss marmelstein

The mummified body of John Torrington, a sailor aboard the doomed Franklin expedition to the arctic, discovered on Beechy Island.


38 posted on 09/12/2016 5:38:09 PM PDT by JoeProBono (SOME IMAGES MAY BE DISTURBING VIEWER DISCRETION IS ADVISED;-{)
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To: Conan the Librarian
Beautiful boat you've got there. If I had one, you could bet I'd live on it too.

Spent a Christmas years ago on a Cabo Rico 38', and have sailed around in much smaller boats. Everything just seems better with the world from your own sailboat.

39 posted on 09/12/2016 5:47:21 PM PDT by WhoisAlanGreenspan?
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To: Puppage

No, not Shackleton.


40 posted on 09/12/2016 5:58:16 PM PDT by 1066AD
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